S&W M&P 9 2.0. Questions

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For those folks that have one,tell me about ‘em..Seriously considering picking one up to replace my current older gen M&P 9...How are they accuracy wise? Does the bigger frame base to slide fit make a difference ?

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Very little difference between the two models. I wouldn't bother "upgrading" if you already have the 1.0. The nicest improvement for me was the grip texture but that hardly constitutes a need for change. In terms of accuracy all I can say is that it's a striker-fired polymer handgun, it will shoot just like the other 5000 models available, lol.
 
4n2t0 said:
Very little difference between the two models. I wouldn't bother "upgrading" if you already have the 1.0. The nicest improvement for me was the grip texture but that hardly constitutes a need for change. In terms of accuracy all I can say is that it's a striker-fired polymer handgun, it will shoot just like the other 5000 models available, lol.
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Agreed.....if you want to legitimately "upgrade", get an entirely different gun. Do really like the grips and small cosmetic changes, but if I had a V1, would not pay much for those differences personally.
 
If I was buying new I would chose a 2.0 but I wouldn't get rid of my current M&Ps to get the new gen.
 
The trigger is alot better than the 1.0. It almost felt like it came with apex duty kit. With that said, the apex duty kit that i installed made no difference to the actual pull weight itself. It moved the the reset point back and eliminated about 1/5 of an inch of pre travel.

For guys that have the really late batch of 1.0 will tell you there is not much of an improvement and i agreed. Almost all the bugs and shortcoming were in the first 2 gen. ( well, the first and then the midlife revision). The latest 1.0, which i believe started in 2014 had almost all the revision done, ie new barrel twist, new trigger bar and sear block.

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mebiuspower said:
Only issue I have with the 2.0 is the stiff slide release compare to the original.
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I have the M&P 2.0 and was told that, "it's not a slide release, it's a slide stop". Sure enough that's exactly what it was intended for. If you use it as a slide release you'll notice excessive wear on that slide stop catch. In theory, the slide stop can eventually stop operating as one (not holding the slide open after the last round). I wish I made this up, because I actually prefer using it to release the slide after inserting a fresh mag. I was told to RTFM (read the f##king manual)... Who reads the manual?
 
Avilon514 said:
I have the M&P 2.0 and was told that, "it's not a slide release, it's a slide stop". Sure enough that's exactly what it was intended for. If you use it as a slide release you'll notice excessive wear on that slide stop catch. In theory, the slide stop can eventually stop operating as one (not holding the slide open after the last round). I wish I made this up, because I actually prefer using it to release the slide after inserting a fresh mag. I was told to RTFM (read the f##king manual)... Who reads the manual?
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I don't care what the manual says I use the stop to release the slide a lot. It feels good, oh so good.

Don't let yourself be ruled by a manual, lol.
 
So, does that mean that the ones that hold open but will cycle closed if you slam them in hard enough, are just part way toward being so worn that they don’t even hold open anymore ?
 
The slide stop/release isn't stiff at all. It's easier to manipulate on my M2.0 .40 than on my buddy's original version.

If I had the original I'd swap for the new gun. Mainly because of two things: the stiffer frame, and the better grip.
 
4n2t0 said:
I don't care what the manual says I use the stop to release the slide a lot. It feels good, oh so good.

Don't let yourself be ruled by a manual, lol.
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Yeah. Note how people who say "It's not a slide release" always say things like, "In theory, you could put excessive wear on it." In theory being the operative term there. I've yet to see any tangible proof of anything like this for any gun.
 
Kosmonument said:
Yeah. Note how people who say "It's not a slide release" always say things like, "In theory, you could put excessive wear on it." In theory being the operative term there. I've yet to see any tangible proof of anything like this for any gun.
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Most people...you mean Glock people becaue of the Glocks small slide release.

Bob Vogel teaches using the slide release, even though he shoots Glocks, because it is faster than the overhand method. I would also add a whole lot safer as well. I now know of four incidents of shooters filling their hands with brass using the overhand method when the ejected round hit the hand then the ejector causing the cartridge to fire out of battery.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Most people...you mean Glock people becaue of the Glocks small slide release.

Bob Vogel teaches using the slide release, even though he shoots Glocks, because it is faster than the overhand method. I would also add a whole lot safer as well. I now know of four incidents of shooters filling their hands with brass using the overhand method when the ejected round hit the hand then the ejector causing the cartridge to fire out of battery.

Take Care

Bob
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Hey Bob,
Trying to understand what you are saying here. If the gun is in slide lock, the chamber is empty. How do you get an ejected round coming out when you do the overhand method? If you mean doing a tac reload, then the slide is in battery with a round in the chamber so no need to rack the slide either?
 
Still alive said:
Hey Bob,
Trying to understand what you are saying here. If the gun is in slide lock, the chamber is empty. How do you get an ejected round coming out when you do the overhand method? If you mean doing a tac reload, then the slide is in battery with a round in the chamber so no need to rack the slide either?
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In each case the gun was either jammed with a live round in the chamber, oe the shooter was dong an "unload and show clear". There is a live round in the chamber, slide closed. Shooter, using the overhand method, pulls the slide back. As the slide reaches it full back position the slide slips while the cartridge was off the ejector, hits the shooters palm, then the ejector as the slide is moving forward. The point of the ejector hits the primer and the cartridge goes off. In one case I witnessed the cases primer had a neat square indentation from the ejector.

As an SP I would estimate near 50% of the shooters who use the overhand method to clear their guns have their palm covering the ejection port. When I have pointed this out to them virtually all claim their hand was never near the port.

When clearing shooters I make sure I am slightly behind the shooters gun hand and not hanging my head over it as some RO/SO's do. I also point this out to students who take the SO class from me. I don't want to see shooters hurt themselves and I am darn sure I don't want to get injured either.


Shooters will tell you they have been dong the overhand method for years and never heard of this or claim they never put their hand near the port. Folks get injured when something that should never happen....happens.

Take Care

Bob
 
Ok, that makes sense now, Bob.
I read the previous posts to be about the gun in slide lock already hence the question.

I do the overhand method but I only grab the rear serrations. My procedure is to cycle the gun vigorously 3-4 times then use my right hand to engage the slide stop for the RO. Then I drop it on the “slide down, pull trigger, holster” command. The ones I’ve seen who cover the ejection port during a “ unload and show clear” command are ones who try and catch the round before it falls to the ground. I’ve personally not seen the situation you’ve described ( and I also RO) but I can see it happening in a “ perfect storm” type of situation.
 
Like most accidents it normally is not just one thing that causes the accident but a series leading up to event. Use the slide release whenever possible and learn to grab the slide from behind to eject the round when doing the USC. If you do have to go overhand then be very careful not to cover the port. It only takes a momentary lapse...

You are right about those who like to catch their round. They must use very expensive ammo.,,,just saying.:>)

Take Care

Bob
 
True Bob,
I’ve done the overhand so long, it’s hard to untrained! I use the slide stop if I’m doing support hand drills though.

Reason I know I don’t cover the ejection port is I don’t want to catch my palm in it if I accidentally drop the slide! Would be a heck of a pinch!!
 
I don’t use the overhand method,and have never heard of the round catching on the ejector and detonating,yikes !Bob,is this an issue unique to the M&P...or similar autos??..
 
SA85M1 said:
I don’t use the overhand method,and have never heard of the round catching on the ejector and detonating,yikes !Bob,is this an issue unique to the M&P...or similar autos??..
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It is unique to semi-auto pistols as compared to revolvers. :>). Not unique to striker fired guns, in fact if memory serves me correctly two for sure were hammer guns. As semi auto has the potential because of their design. Keep your hand away from the port and it won't happen. You have now heard of it. It can and has happened.

Take Care

Bob
 
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