S&W M&P...Range report.

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Had a chance to run a couple of hundred rounds through my new M&P...
No hiccoughs of any sort... seemed to provide good combat accuracy, and as had been billed, the recoil was definately less than a G22....
The trigger was very 'Glocklike', measured at ~7lb. and the mags loaded easily and ejected well..Mag release easy to reach and easily changed.
The only universal gripe (by myself and a bunch of other shooters, both noobs and experienced shooters), was the impossible to use slide release.
The summary seemed to be that the M&P is essentially an improved Glock..
The mags are easier to load( appear to be made be Mecgar), the sights are
steel and dovetailed( durable and easy to change) and the grip angle is better: the various backstaps allow tailoring to hand size and preference.
The price is competitive and the only unknown is going to be reliability...
I don't forcast a stampede of Glock owners turning in their units, but S&W is
at least now ( wishing to forget the abortion that was Sigma) in a position to give Gaston Glock a run for his money in any future law enforcement /military competitions.
 
Deckard said:
Is it because the slide release is so flat? Chances are aftermarket release will be extended.
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Yup. It is ambi, but it's so low profile, they should call it "no-profile"!
I would concur with Uncle W. that the first aftermarket 'mandatory option' will be an extended slide release.
I love my G19 to bits, but the regular mag release is also too stubby, but is
easily remedied with one from a G20...
Other than that, the M&P is pretty good, but one would hope that S&W had
learned from the Sigma debacle, and I think that they have come good with
their second attempt at cloning Gaston's masterpiece!:D
 
the slide release was designed to make the user sling shot the slide forward! this is a LEO pistol so it makes all procedures standard.
 
I'm guessing that the slide release is like that on purpose. Nearly all law enforcement (the market the gun is aimed at) trains their members to "always" use the gross motor movement of pulling back on the slide with the weak hand to reload from a fresh mag. The theory being that when you are adreneline charged and your fine motor skills are impared you will be better off with this move instead of trying to find a small release lever.

If you are wounded so that one arm is of no use you can hook your rear sight on a pocket/duty belt/hard surface etc. And then push down to release the slide. The slide release is also there too.
 
How do you compare it to the Sigma? It looks to me as though they just took the Sigma tooling and fiddled with the gun as the trigger and the magazine release part of the grip look the same from the pictures. I never liked the grip on the Sigma, that was it's biggest flaw although the trigger wasn't anything special.
 
arrrrrgggg!!!! fine motor skills vs gross motor skills the single most often repeated lie in the firearms industry. Gross motor skills are things like punching, kicking, jumping. Fine motor skills come into play anytime you need to grasp something and manipulate it. There is no difference in skill level for hitting a slide lever or grasping a slide. None. companies purposely making slide levers that can't be manipulated properly are guilty of making poor products.
 
Slavex said:
arrrrrgggg!!!! fine motor skills vs gross motor skills the single most often repeated lie in the firearms industry. Gross motor skills are things like punching, kicking, jumping. Fine motor skills come into play anytime you need to grasp something and manipulate it. There is no difference in skill level for hitting a slide lever or grasping a slide. None. companies purposely making slide levers that can't be manipulated properly are guilty of making poor products.
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Agreed. It's my big peeve with my Glock 30. Superthumbs MCGillicuddy couldn't drop the slide using that thing.
 
Slavex said:
arrrrrgggg!!!! fine motor skills vs gross motor skills the single most often repeated lie in the firearms industry. Gross motor skills are things like punching, kicking, jumping. Fine motor skills come into play anytime you need to grasp something and manipulate it. There is no difference in skill level for hitting a slide lever or grasping a slide. None. companies purposely making slide levers that can't be manipulated properly are guilty of making poor products.
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So true. The one reason I have never owned a Glock is the small, flat slide release. This southpaw just can't use it. Make it LARGE, and the trigger finger can do the rest!

BTW, the XD release is somewhat better than the Glock for lefties, but not much.

For what it is worth, I wish even the K100 would have this kind of release. Sorry for the art.

k100slidereleaseb.jpg
 
Max Owner said:
I haven't had the chance to handle one, but suspect with practice, it could be done proficiently (slide release)
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I purposely did that very thing...as well as having several 'range buddies' do the same....we all found this thing sucked grand hippo weanie!
HOWEVER, I would not consider this a 'terminal flaw'...
This is actually quite a decent (overall)piece of work and would recommend it
 
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