S&W pistolsmith recommendations:

hunter64

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Just wondering if someone could recommend a good S&W Pistolsmith in Canada? I have an early model 29 that if I shoot heavy loads thru it the cylinder will literally unlock and get jammed between the just fired one and the next cylinder. To correct this I can literally turn the cylinder back (Clockwise from the rear) and and then the cylidner will open as normal. I found a short rightup of this problem on the internet:

For years, Smith & Wesson refused to acknowledge a problem that definitely existed. It became especially prevalent when silhouette shooters started pounding hundreds of rounds of fullhouse loads down range in a single day. When a cartridge was fired, the cylinder would unlock, rotate backwards and when the hammer was cocked, the fired round would be back under the firing pin. Silhouetters literally "beat their swords into plowshares" as far as the Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum was concerned. About the same time silhouetters were pounding 240 grain bullets unmercilessly through the Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, handgun hunters discovered 300 grain bullets which put a further strain on the mechanism whose basic design went back to 1899.

Instead of listening to silhouetters about this problem, Smith & Wesson refused to publicly acknowledge that anything was amiss and instead brought forth a Silhouette Model in 1983. This model featured a ten and five-eighth's inch bull barrel and sights with a standard adjustable rear sight with a higher blade and also a four position adjustable front sight. The front sight was to be set for the four distances addressed in long range silhouetting. Nothing was done to correct the mechanical problem. Of all the .44 Magnum Smith & Wesson sixguns I have shot over the past four decades, this one, Smith & Wesson's answer to the unlocking cylinder problem, is the only one that I have ever encountered in which the cylinder unlocked and rotated backwards on a regular basis! Needless to say, silhouetters did not flock to the .44 Magnum Silhouette Model.

Finally with a change of management, Smith & Wesson began to address some of the problems associated with the .44 Magnum Model 29. By now, both Ruger and Dan Wesson had heavy duty .44 Magnum sixguns on the market that were designed around heavy usage. The Smith & Wesson had a distinct disadvantage as it was built on a platform going back to 1908. Should they scrap it and start over? Or should they try to fix what they had? They opted for the latter and I am certainly pleased that they did. In 1988, the 29-4 was ushered in with two changes. The retention system on the yoke or cylinder crane was strengthened and studs within the frame were radiused to help remove metal stress. It was not enough. At the same time eight and three eighth's inch models were made available with integral scope mounts on the barrel rib.

Just wondering if this can be fixed or I can replace some parts etc. to correct this problem or should I just run mild loads in it and no factory stuff. Had a local gunsmith tell me it wasn't worth fixing but it is such a georgous piece that was made in 1959. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
A Canadian warrantee shop should be able to help.
M.D. CHARLTON CO. LTD.
BOX 153
BRENTWOOD BAY
B.C., CANADA V0S 1A0
Phone: 250-652-5266
Fax: 250-652-4700

WORTNER GUN WORKS INC.
433 QUEEN STREET
BOX 411
CHATHAM ONTARIO, CANADA N7M 5K5
Phone: 519-352-0924
 
Model 29

Oh yeah!!! I remember that problem. Most annoying. Going back a few years here..........fixed the problem by installing a different (read stronger) cyl. stop spring. I recall that it was a long process to locate a correct donor spring....AND to size it for length properly to prevent 'spring bind' (when the spring is compressed completely and still doesn't allow the cyl. stop to depress far enough to release the cylinder). The good news is that it is possible to correct the problem........at least all of us shooting the nasty full-house loads were able to. We figured that the problem was that the recoil on the 'wrist breaker' loads was so severe that it was causing the cyl. stop to drop out of the cyl. notch......... we never did figure out why the cylinder would turn.........actually, we didn't really care.........we just wanted the problem to go away.:D

Cheers - Gus
 
This info is great, thanks for the replys. I kind of thought about the return spring and it sounds like an easy fix once I find the springs. I will call Wortner on Monday and see what he has to say. Thanks
 
Thats just too spooky.. My 629-1 is at Charlton right now getting that very problem addressed, which is a simple fix according to them. Indeed it is a spring issue. Too bad this thread wasnt in place before I sent it:( , but its also an excuse to get the old girl snugged up for many more years of ear to ear grins..
Cheers:)
dB
 
daBear let me know how much it cost. I am kind of a do it yourselfer type guy and I love to learn so I was thinking of attempting it with a S&W manual as a guide.
 
Good day - I just checked my S & W Armourers repair manual and the cyl. stop return spring for the model 29 is the same as in the model 14s. Several other models, .357, .45 etc. take the same return spring. I probably have some in my S&W parts collection, if you like I`ll send you one, freebie, and you can try it. The cylinder stop is also the same therefore I`ll also send you one of these if you like, again a freebie. The cylinder stop has a step on it that can be carefully filed off and this will allow the stop to enter further through the frame. If you want the above send me your address via. email,
jaydeee@shaw.ca.
 
Hunter, I will let u know for sure..Unfortunately it has taken some time for them to get to it as it has been there over 3 weeks now but they assure me it will be done this week. Once I find out the cost, I will post in this thread for you & others..I feel kinda silly now that I know what it was as it sounds like an easy fix, but like I said at least I can have them tune the old gal up a bit.
Cheers
dB:)
 
Well my little baby found its way home today..As for the cost of the job, to replace the hand and correct the yoke shake, the bill was $60, which I think was very reasonable. Shipping was additional but it too was very reasonable. I give a thumbs up to MD Charlton..
Hunter, hope this gives u an idea as to value.
Cheers
dB:)
 
Murray does excellent "Spit & Wobbly" repair work and tuning.

I've owned about half a dozen of the big "N" frame 29 Smiths, and several .38/357 Mag S&W revolvers. When I discovered IPSC I switched to the .45 ACP in the 25-5, and then when we started playing with bowling pins, I switched from the S&W wheel guns to the Ruger Redhawk and the Security Six. The Rugers are MUCH more robust if heavy loads and LOTS of shooting is involved. I used to tune the Rugers for IPSC [ .357 Mag = Major ,and .44 Mag downloaded to .44 SPL equivalent ] These were set up primarily for double action work, and with not much more than a Brownells spring kit, both of the Rugers would come out with very decent triggers. Not as smooth as the S&W, and they "stacked" completely different, but one could get used to them.

And THEY NEVER BROKE OR SHOT LOOSE!
 
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