Santa left me a 1942 Long Branch Lee Enfield no4 mk1 sporter, what do I do with it?

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For Christmas I am totally joyed I got a Long Branch Lee Enfield no4 mk1 dated 1942. It has been sporterised but is in really awesome shape. My first thought was to restore it, but the barrel has been shortened to 24in. What should I do with the rifle? Try to restore it to original or just polish it up and enjoy it as is? Or is there an option I havent thought of. Thanks, I will put up pics later.


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With the shortened barrel, I would either try to find a full length barrel to replace it ar make a really nice sporter out of it. Even sported, it is still an LB. Have fun
 
A friend got a good shooting LE with a shortened barrel years ago, it was well beyond restoring without re-barreling, and doing a lot of other work besides...

He used it off and on until he hit on the idea of turning it into a "Canadian Scout" rifle. Forward mounted a Vortex Strikefire on it, got a lightweight polymer stock to replace the hack-sawed wood...

Now it's his primary hunting rifle. He has a good load worked out for it, it's fairly lightweight and easy to handle in the brush, and packs the freezer full every fall.
 
Any gift rifle is a good rifle.

With the shortened barrel, it is in the "sporter" category right now. The cost of a barrel, wood and fittings would probably be the cost of buying an original one on the EE today.

Before you do too much with it, take it to the range and shoot it to see if it is reasonably accurate. Then, you can make up you mind which way to go.
 
Given the shortened barrel, I wouldn't attempt to bring it back to milspec. Given the scarcity of LB parts and wood, it would be a shame to waste them on a sporterized rifle. I have an English No.4 that was a sporterized "Sussex" which I've tweaked for my particular needs and it's a great shooter and hunter. If I were you I'd personalize the one you have into a good sporting rifle.
 
Lots of great suggestions here, thank you.

I prefer military rifles over hunting. All my shooting is done at the range and I have a variety of other rifles. I have a Lithgow no1mk3 that was modified. With it I ended up putting a light synthetic stock and a scout scope on it. Has anyone ever tried turning a Enfield into a L42A1 replica?

Before I do anything I will make sure I go shoot it and see if it is reasonable accurate; its been sitting for decades. I will upload pics tonight when I get home.

Thanks for all the great suggestions.
 
Lots of great suggestions here, thank you.

I prefer military rifles over hunting. All my shooting is done at the range and I have a variety of other rifles. I have a Lithgow no1mk3 that was modified. With it I ended up putting a light synthetic stock and a scout scope on it. Has anyone ever tried turning a Enfield into a L42A1 replica?

Before I do anything I will make sure I go shoot it and see if it is reasonable accurate; its been sitting for decades. I will upload pics tonight when I get home.

Thanks for all the great suggestions.



There are a few on the E & E these days - replicas, I mean.
 
OP, the rifle was a gift???? Leave it alone and shoot it as is. You can buy a rifle in full military garb cheaper than you can put that one back to original specs.

As far as turning it into an L42 goes $250 plus for an appropriate barrel blank then add on another $250 to get it mounted, chambered and then put on an appropriate matte finish. Good luck finding correct stocks and furniture on that, let alone a proper 7.62 magazine, bolt head and extractor claw.

As far as the headspace so many love to chime in and suggest I have only come across one No4 of any mark that had headspace issues and it was to tight. I had to replace the bolt head for a shorter one. Funny thing about it was the it came in with a batch from International Firearms back in the late sixties. Lever insisted on every rifle that went upstairs to the sale rooms to be checked for head space. The worst rifles for head space issues were different models of Mausers. Where they came from before they got to International is anyone's guess. They bore a mixture of manufacturers and ownership stamps.

Far to much fuss over headspace here concerning Lee Enfields. It reeks to high heaven of amateur.
 
I did my #4 Mk1 as an L39 replica. Still working on loads for it. however this rifle still had all of the barrel.

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My #4 Mk1* Long Branch is a Parker Hale converted sporter. Meaning the barrel has been cut to 22" already and the Military fixtures removed. It looks like a #4 with no hand guard and a shorter barrel and a Parker Hale Front Sight..

I just ordered new Boyd's Laminated Wood for it today, and it will get cut down even further to 20" and bored and rifled to .35-303. After coating with Cerakote, the gun will be an all weather Brush Gun which should look very nice.

There are lots of ways to go with your gun, your imagination and pocket book are your only limitations.

If the gun shoots well you might even consider leaving it alone and just using it the way your Dad did.

Randy
 
I live in northern Ontario in hunt camp and cottage country. There are lots of firearms for sale, often by new owners of the camp or cottage. They just want rid and the firearms can be bought very cheaply, usually for what I offer. I am honest and give a fair price. Lots of Lee Enfield sporters to be had,
some quite old.

I used to think that every sporter was a potential project for restoration no matter how many modifications had been done. After restoring many, my thoughts on this have changed over time.

The Lee Enfield sporter in its various forms is a classic, it is part of our heritage. So many people that I have chatted with about Lee Enfields tell me that they started out with a cut down 303 when they were learning to shoot and hunt. Like the ubiquitous Cooey 22, 303 sporters were everywhere.

When I looked at a Lee Enfield, I used to look for original and correct parts in the assembly to harvest for my restorations. The gun, if seriously modified, would go on the rack as a project and usually had parts switched out from other sporters until a serviceable and well balanced hunting rifle was the result. These sporter projects are what I cut my teeth on with regards to woodwork, bedding, crowning the barrel, polishing the chamber, fixing headspace, refinishing the metalwork. I could try out my different tools and techniques without the worry of destroying something historical or valuable. Some of my techniques worked well, some not so much, but it all is experience.

This last year I bought a sporter off the EE just by a brief description, no pics. I bought a BSA Shirley No.4 that had been sportered, probably by Parker or other Brit outfit. It had cut back forearm, 22 inch barrel, new front ramp sight, Weaver TO1 scope rail, Weaver rings, 4x Busnell Banner scope. It was a classic. The bore was pristine and the scope took less than 10 shots to dial it in at 75 yards (my hunting preference). I took two white tails with it this fall and was very happy with it.
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Then for some reason even unknown to me, I decided that this being such a nice rifle, I should move it along. Sold it on the EE in minutes and is now with probably a very happy new owner.

I have original and restored rifles, I still have some to find, but no longer am I looking at sporters to fill the holes in my collection. When I see a sporter, I see it for what it is, not what it used to be. Not all sporters need to be restored in my opinion.

So I suggest that you take your pressie out and shoot it, see how it works for you. Leave it as it is and perhaps later make some changes more to your taste.

I can recognise an original rifle compared to a rebuild more often than not. Too many rifles out there now commanding top dollar that are actually put together by well meaning hobbiests. A 100% correct rifle home assembled from parts aint the same as an 100% correct untouched rifle, but many don't realise the difference or really care. There is a bit more to restocking than finding repacement wood and just assembling things back together. A $200 sporter rifle with $500 worth of parts assembled does not necessarily mean you have a $700 rifle. But I digress.

I'll shut up now, I'm starting to feel like Yoda.

Lets see a pic of what Santa brung you..
 

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My council is to
1. Visit a gunsmith and ask him to check the rifles head space, look it over and see that it is safe to shoot.
2. Watch my video on how to zero the Lee enfield rifle
3. Start putting rounds down range

Dont do anything to this rifle that it doesn't need.
Dont scope it or any of that other non sense.

You have the best bolt action battle rifle ever conceived by human beings there.
Learn how this rifle operates, learn its strengths and weaknesses and you will become a formidable rifleman.

Oh.. Edited to add. Don't use spitzers pointed bullets in enfields. The soft point strikes the feeding ramp and deforms it. Use FMJ or round nose projectiles. Congratulations and ENJOY!
 
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Thank you for all the great idea, there seems to be a lot of cool options.

I do plan on shooting the rifle and enjoying it. But if I find modifying and building to be far more rewarding. If all I did was clean the rifle and make sure it shoots straight it would end up in the back of a closest and would rarely see the light of day.

Here are some quick photos of the rifle in question. It seems to be in really nice shape.








 


If you want to do something to your gun why not refinish the Wood, and by that I mean a proper Oil Finish that will make the grain really pop.

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Above is a pic of mine before, and the wood was atrocious. It had a 1/4" thick layer of varnish on it and I literally Scraped it off with my pocket knife! I then went after it with a finish sander and 60 grit paper until I was under all the gouges and into good solid wood. I had 3 different colors of wood to try to match and I got two of them close. The buttstock was much darker and that's where it remains.

You will be amazed at how much character there is hidden in the grain.

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They really come alive in the direct sunlight!

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Good luck and you've got a decent one to start out with.

Randy
 
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