Savage 10 FCP vs Rem 700 SPS

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Hi everyone!

First of all, I know that my question has been probably already debated but I haven't find the answer yet. Well, I am looking to get a .308 bolt action rifle and it's my first precision rifle. I was looking at the Remington 700 SPS tactical, which is very interesting because of its price. However, some people told me that it wasn't such a safe buy because the factory stock isn't totally free-floating, and also because it's a mass produced rifle so I could buy a rifle that doesn't shoot under 2 inch at 100 yards. So, that's why I was also taking a look at the Savage 10 FCP (Hs precision stock or Mcmillan stock). Of course, there's a big difference between the price of each of these rifles, so that's why I am asking you your advice for my first rifle.
The price does matter but I'm afraid of buying a rifle that, after a few months, I would regret. So after all, I would prefer paying a bit more for something that will last and I'll be happy with.

My goal is to reach the sub .5 MOA at 100 yards, and to eventually hit targets at more than 600 yards.

I'm waiting for your advices and thanks in advance!

Xav
 
welcome to the club of precision shooting!

im on my phone so this will be short and sweet. the stock on the SPS is junk, its flexy, can make contact with the barrel and IMO just not that nice in terms of fitment to the shooter (obviously this will vary person to person) there are a few cheap tricks to stiffen it up a bit but really it should be replaced.

savage in recent years have really stepped up their game in term of consistant accuracy from one gun to the next and do offer great "bang for buck"

both rem and savage have pros and cons. and in the end both are factory rifles, both have the potential to be great shooters or average / so-so.

much like any thing, you get what you pay for. if budget is a concern, keep an eye on the EE on here, your dollar may stretch a bit further and you can get a better rifle. some times a screaming deal pops up and you jump on it, other times you may only save a few bucks. but more money in your pocket is never a bad thing!
 
Bad comparison. The 10FCP is more in the class of the 5R. Either of those 2 will be good shooters.

SPS-T and the 10TR would be closer.
 
Thanks a lot everyone for your help! I will continue to read all the reviews and comments I find on the forum for all of these rifle. Any other advice or other suggestion will be appreciated!
Once again, thanks!

Xav
 
Shooter ----/ said:
Bad comparison. The 10FCP is more in the class of the 5R. Either of those 2 will be good shooters.

SPS-T and the 10TR would be closer.
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I agree, 5R is more money but if .5 MOA or less is your goal then it is probably a better bet. My SPS was holding around 2.5 MOA at 100 so I sold it and am mid build on a full custom rifle. Not saying a factory rifle won't be a shooter but mine certainly wasn't. Like ultimate_monkey said, when it comes to accuracy, you get what you pay for. And as a newer shooter myself, I'm quickly learning that it usually doesn't come cheap.

Scan the EE, last I checked there were a few 5R's on there. I recently picked up a tikka t3 varmint in .223 off there for a great price.

Good luck on your journey.
 
2.5moa on a sps?
That is either you, your ammo, or a faulty rifle.
No $600 reputable name brand bolt action will do as bad as 2.5moa once you find its ammo.
Unless you have parkinsons, then maybe...


Either or, a remy is like a Honda civic. More crap you can upgrade withthan you can shake a stick at.
Savage is not far off either but certainly less, depends on the action you choose that limits your upgrades.
I.e bolt release location.

My .223 sps varmint does Consistant .5moa at 100yards
Pleasuarble 500yard shots with 3-1/4" groups with mild wind and 50gr vmax.(ya, ya thats more like .7moa, but i'm only useing 16x glass and a 50gr that drops to 1300fps at that range...)

Both are in the same realm, buy what you like or what fits your future goals.

Custom does not mean 'accurate' nor does spending 1500 vs 600.
A $600 dollar rifle can outshoot a 2000$. There is more to consider than a krieger barrell for 500$ and a timney trigger that makes you the next Rob Furlong.
More money does not correlate to more Value. That would just be capitolism.

Savage Axis in a boyds stock would be a great start.
My friends stock axis 1 in .223 does .75moa consistantly. For 250$ that a hell of a deal if you don't mind the ugly of it. Your going to shoot out your first rifle learning the basics, so buy something cheap or something you can upgrade easily. Your tastes will also change as you learn more.
 
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I have the Savage FCP and its a great shooter, will do under .5 MOA at 100 with hand loads (never tried factory), I don't have the remg your looking at but I have a VTR, both rifles are 308 and both shoot great with hand loads. Find a store local to you and handle and play with them, chose the one that fits you the best and is most comfortable for you. Then as you get use to the rifle you can do whatever upgrades you feel you want or should do.

As Snooze98k says you can buy lots of stuff for both these rifles and hes right about the bolt release on the savage some are harder to find upgrades for (bottom release) but the stock you are considering for the savage is a great stock so you shouldn't have any issues there.

Personally I would stay far away from the axis, but that's just me.
 
Get the Remington. I've owned more than 20 700s over the years and there hasn't been a single one that didn't shoot MOA from the bench with quality ammo. Remington factory bbls are damn good. Sure, they're not Kreiger, Hart, Douglas, Lilja, etc., but you'd be hard pressed to find a barrel offering better performance at that price.

The 700 has way more aftermarket parts and accessories available for it and that includes stocks. The tuperware SPS stock is little more than functional and should be the first thing replaced as your funds permit. Take off or good used H.S. Precision stocks are available for decent prices if you're looking for them, along with Bell & Carlson. Factory laminates are another good option and Boyds offers some really great deals as well. Despite the CNBC jihad against the Walker trigger, for years it was viewed as the best of the factory triggers. Nevertheless, new 700s offer the new and more easily adjusted X-mark Pro trigger, although I have to give Savage their props for kicking off the revolution in improved factory triggers.

Truth be told, both the SPS and it's Savage counterpart should offer close to MOA accuracy straight out of the box with good ammo. You won't go wrong with either choice as an entry-level precision rifle.
 
I bought the SPS Tac 223.

First off, the stock sucks. I averaged about 1.25" at 100 yards. Not the greatest. I dumped the trigger for a Timney. My groups averaged under 1". I bought a HS and I'm below 0.5" now with 60 gr V-Max. Right now, its the most accurate rifle I own. It's so consistent it scares me.
 
The Savage model 10 FCP HS Precision is a great rifle out of the box. The HS stock is about as good as you're going to get on any factory rifle. Far better than the accu-stock and the hogue. The Remington 700 5R has a HS stock of a different design, but of the same quality.
 
snooze98k said:
2.5moa on a sps?
That is either you, your ammo, or a faulty rifle.
No $600 reputable name brand bolt action will do as bad as 2.5moa once you find its ammo.
Unless you have parkinsons, then maybe...
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Possibly, I questioned my skills as well but other more experienced shooters couldn't get it to shoot any better. I wasn't able to develop a load for it and was limited to factory ammo, but of the ammo we used, it made no difference. Still shot like crap. It's possible my rifle was a lemon that the OP fears. Obviously, 2.5moa is very poor, and your avg SPS will outshoot that. I suppose I should have clarified that. However, on avg, very few 600 dollar rifles are going to shoot his goal of sub .5moa without any modifications.

There is a reason why sako's cost more than a savage or remy. My advice still stands on the fact that on average a more expensive rifle will shoot better for you. And if consistent sub .5moa is your goal, be prepared to spend a bit on achieving it.
 
I have a FCP-K in 223 and it shoot inside MOA at 400 meters(3-3.5") with handloads. It shoots shoots .750 @100 meters.

The SPS 308 will shoot less than 1.5" at 350 meters or 380+ yds and about .750 @ 100 meters(holes touching on 3 rounds but no actual measurement.)

The Remy is smoother and Left hand so I like it a little better and it's lighter.

Here's the Remmy SPS at 350 meters with factory GameKings for a test after zeroing at 100 meters to check my comeups.

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skypilot said:
I have a FCP-K in 223 and it shoot inside MOA at 400 meters(3-3.5") with handloads. It shoots shoots .750 @100 meters.

The SPS 308 will shoot less than 1.5" at 350 meters or 380+ yds and about .750 @ 100 meters(holes touching on 3 rounds but no actual measurement.)

The Remy is smoother and Left hand so I like it a little better and it's lighter.

Here's the Remmy SPS at 350 meters with factory GameKings for a test after zeroing at 100 meters to check my comeups.

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Very envious of you shooting spot...

SPS AACSD here and love the gun, Owned or own Savage, Remington, Sako and HS Precision. Out shoots me in its current form, starting to develop a load and its borderline scary some groups are 6 shots only 4 holes visible (touching one another.)

BC Stock, Timney Trigger, ATRS Rings and Brake, Night Force base, Viper PST 6x24

For a gun under 2k with glass I am very happy!
 
Ranger Dave said:
I bought the SPS Tac 223.

First off, the stock sucks. I averaged about 1.25" at 100 yards. Not the greatest. I dumped the trigger for a Timney. My groups averaged under 1". I bought a HS and I'm below 0.5" now with 60 gr V-Max. Right now, its the most accurate rifle I own. It's so consistent it scares me.
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x2, the 16.5 inch barrel is great, I put a griffin flash hider on it. The Hogue over mold isn't garbage, its good for a hunter, has great grip ability with the weird synth material. I shoot .75-1.25 (the shooter varies it haha) with 69 grain ammo at 100. I plan on buying a MDT LSS chassis and adjusting the trigger down from factory pull weight. Have no problem shooting 300 yards with it. Will push out farther in spring.
 
Both are factory guns, neither are true "precision rifles" and both will shoot the same. Good and bad in both brands. get what you want and ignore input form people who want to sell you stuff or who simply want to validate their own consumer choices.
 
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