Savage 10FP Choate in store.... barrel totally off centre

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This is why I like to see things in person before I buy.... went to a gun store a few hours away while visiting my gf today.... had a look at a Savage 10FP Choate frsh out of the box, and the barrel was unbelievably crooked in the barrel channel, off centre.

For an $800+ dollar gun you think this kind of thing wouldnt slip by... I dont know the exact measurement of what it was off by, but it was enough that it caught my attention in a major way after about the first 5 seconds of looking the gun over.. and the action was not loose either

Read someone complaining about Savages QC lately, and I have to say.... I am very put off, I was ripping my hair out trying to decide on my next gun, finally decided I was going to pickup a 10FP MacMillan or HS for christmas this year, but am seriously reconsidering it, I dont want to spend $1000 on a rifle and have some crap like that going on....

:( :mad: :( :mad:

Is this common? Anyone had this problem before? I would like to stick to this brand..
 
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You could have just had some reject that made it through the cracks. Alot of people swear by their Savage toys. As you said yourself, see before you buy. Go and look at other Savages and check them out for yourself. If you find one that has nothing wrong with it I don't see why there would be an issue in buying. Just my 0.02
 
CanuckShooter said:
This is why I like to see things in person before I buy.... went to a gun store a few hours away while visiting my gf today.... had a look at a Savage 10FP Choate frsh out of the box, and the barrel was unbelievably crooked in the barrel channel, off centre.

For an $800+ dollar gun you think this kind of thing wouldnt slip by... I dont know the exact measurement of what it was off by, but it was enough that it caught my attention in a major way after about the first 5 seconds of looking the gun over.. and the action was not loose either

Read someone complaining about Savages QC lately, and I have to say.... I am very put off, I was ripping my hair out trying to decide on my next gun, finally decided I was going to pickup a 10FP MacMillan or HS for christmas this year, but am seriously reconsidering it, I dont want to spend $1000 on a rifle and have some crap like that going on....

:( :mad: :( :mad:

Is this common? Anyone had this problem before? I would like to stick to this brand..
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That might look like a defect in Barrel, but it could cause by the Manufacture of stock, as result it seem to be crocket because you only had the crocket stock to compared to, the only way to see if the barrel was put on crocket is to take it to a gunsmith and have a check, one of my rem700PSS look like that, but the dam thing could put 40caliber hold at 100 all day, Like I say It could mean nothing, so don't relize on Look...

Gb
 
If you plan on having it beeded it usually not a big deal. The smith will usually true the stock as well. I have had two HS stocks that required trueing of the bedding block. One required a small amout of file work the other needed alot more. Both shot fantastic when they were done. I do agree though, its very dishearting when you open up that box and instantly see a flaw. If you do order a rifle and have it shipped just get the retailer to check it for you. Savage makes great rifles, you'll find just as many bad apples with Remington and maybe more.
 
Ya I wasn't suspecting it was actually the barrel that was crooked, but the fit of the stock.

I'll still probably get one..... though this one was the Choate model, and damn is that thing frigging heavy. I'll probably just get it from Russells, theyve been good about checking things out for me so far.

So it's between the MacMillan and HS stocks. I would prefer the gun in .223 I think for easier to find and cheaper ammo (bulk varmint packs at walmart), a lower recoil that myself as well as my gf will enjoy shooting (she actually likes the M14, but gets a nasty bruise from it). The Mac i think only comes in .308.... so I guess choosing .223 would automatically choose my stock...

Then there's the issue of do I wait around until these model come out with the detachable mag?
 
Alum bedded stocks usually have horrid inletting (drop in fit usually means very sloppy inletting). Loosen up the action screws and I bet you could move the action in the stock so that it was straight. On a fast production line, that could have been overlooked.

The worse one I played with from a big name manf allowed me to move the action 1/4" total forward and back and about 25deg in roll/cant. The action literally rattled around in the stock.

There was essentially a big hole the action fell into. The action was also bent about 1/16" (yes, you read that right) when the action screws were tightened. You could see the action bending/flexing into the stock.

Why these same manf want you to use huge amounts of torque on the action screws. That is what actually holds the action in place - bad idea.

I bedded that action aligning the barrel with the channel and action square with the stock and the rifle now drives them into one big hole. Used to throw flyers all the time - wonder why.

Don't blame Savage as it is likely the stock inletting that is at fault. Yes, the Choate stocks are horridly heavy, but then so are the other brands. You might want to look at the Stockade Gunstocks from the US. Very nice designs, well priced, and seem reasonably light.

Of course, Ian Robertson has a 'few' to offer.

Jerry
 
Heavier than an HS. Can't say about McM. The Choate Ultimate stocks are heavy. Doesn't harm the shooting, but does affect handling. As mysticplayer has pointed out, you can't assume that the inletting in the block will be a perfect match for the action. It would be interesting to take the rifle you inspected, loosen the screws, align the barrelled action, and retighten the screws. The barrelled action might sit perfectly aligned. A bedding job could set everything right.
 
I received an accumark that had been threaded crooked. NIB. The accuracy was phenomenal, but 18 inches low at 100 yards. They replaced it immediately. Things happen in our "perfect " world that are beyond our control. I'm pretty sure that Savage would replace it immediately upon notification of the problem, although that wouldn't be much help if a person was going on a hunting trip and didn't have a backup. Every savage that I have owned over the years has been extremely accurate. Some shot better that my target rifles. Dollar for dollar, I don't think that a Savage can be beat in the lower priced class of rifles.
 
I am a bit perplexed by Savage as well.

Surely to God you would think some for of final inspection takes place.

So far these are some of the most obvious and easily inspected issues. Now what about the rest of the gun?? Machining quality....few have the ability to gauge this.

I suppose the reality is we shouldn't be too surprised based on the volume they produce and the price when compared to other brands.
 
Choate model, they are UGLY and Take up big Container, My Causin is trying to sell his so he could buy a Reminton or Savage is Mcmillan, Savage are Gun don't get me wrong, but the one with Choate Stock?

Gb
 
I personally wanted the McMillan & H-S stocked ones at the time they weren't available..Strongly recommended if you go the Savage path.
 
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