Savage 10FP vs Savage 12FVSS

[Jeff000]

What one is better?

The 12FVSS is stainless heavy barrel, and 26" long.
The 10FP is blued heav barrel and 24" long.

The 12FVSS has; AccuTrigger™, oversized bolt handle, stainless barreled action, heavy, fluted, free-floating and button-rifled barrel with internal box magazine and swivel studs.

The 10FP has; AccuTrigger™, matte blued barreled action, heavy free-floating and button-rifled barrel with internal box magazine and swivel stud for bipod, oversized bolt handle

Both stocks are black synthetic with positive checkering, and dual pillar bedding.

The 10FP is only available in 223 and 308, whereas the 12FVSS is also available in 22-250, 270 WSM and 300 WSM.

The 12FVSS is less then 100 more.


To me unless you carry the rifle through the bush hunting or something the 12FVSS is far better, its got a longer barrel, and stainless.

For a target and gopher plinking rifle would the 12FVSS be better? I would think the Stainless barrel could take more heat, and possible cool faster (although I dont know how much the 2" longer and flutted would really help with that). The longer barrel should give better accuracy too I think.

I can get a 22-250 in the 12FVSSS or a .223 in the 10FP.
SO now not only am I still stuck between calibers, but also a slightly different rifle.

So what one do I get? (leaving cost of ammo out of it)

 

[Musky Hunter]

get the cheapest rifle and then get a new stock! the factory stocks just aren't up to par!

 

[Jeff000]

get the cheapest rifle and then get a new stock! the factory stocks just aren't up to par!

well the cost between then is less then 100 bucks, the 12FVSS is 87 dollars more.
The choate stock that I like is 250 I think, but will be put onto whatever rifle I end up with.

There is a used 10FP .223 for sale for 700 though, so that one is like 350 less then the new 12.

I hate this, I feel like the 223 is the better deal, but the 22-250 "might" be better for what I want (accuracy even with a bit of wind over 500 meters) even though I know neither are the best at this.

 

[PEI ROB]

The one on sale right now in the EE for $700 with a Ken Farrel base and Burris signiture rings. Sweat deal and no, I don't know him

 

[BigUglyMan]

The 10FP LE2B has a 26" barrel in the 308 model. Plus it has a McMillan stock.

If you want a varmint rifle, buy the varmint model. There's a reason the "Law Enforcement" models aren't chambered in 257 Roberts or 7mm STW. If you want a long range dog zapper then get the varmint model in a varmint caliber.

 

[maynard]

I hate this, I feel like the 223 is the better deal, but the 22-250 "might" be better for what I want (accuracy even with a bit of wind over 500 meters) even though I know neither are the best at this.

OK, what twist is in 22-250. If it is a slow twist like 1:12 or 1:14 then the 1:9 twist in .223 is better. The .223 will have the advantage of using heavier bullets out of the 1:9 and will kick the .22-250's ass all over the range in the wind.

 

[Jeff000]

The 10FP LE2B has a 26" barrel in the 308 model. Plus it has a McMillan stock.

If you want a varmint rifle, buy the varmint model. There's a reason the "Law Enforcement" models aren't chambered in 257 Roberts or 7mm STW. If you want a long range dog zapper then get the varmint model in a varmint caliber.

Not looking for 308, nor the mcmillan stock.

22-250 and .223 are varmint calibers as far as I can tell.

OK, what twist is in 22-250. If it is a slow twist like 1:12 or 1:14 then the 1:9 twist in .223 is better. The .223 will have the advantage of using heavier bullets out of the 1:9 and will kick the .22-250's ass all over the range in the wind.

the 22-250 is 1-10.
the .223 is 1-9.

 

[maynard]

The .22-250 with a 1:10 should shoot 69 grain bullets, but the .223 with 1:9 should shoot 80 gr bullets. 80's will work at 1000 yards, 69's might.
80 gr will beat a 69 in the wind because of the BC.
The .22-250 may be faster but you are also using more powder.
Brass is much easier to come by for a .223 and cheaper.
Savage has also come out with a single shot bolt rifle in .223 with a stainless barrel and laminated stock, might be worth looking at.

 

[prosper]

the model 12 precision varminter has me all hot and bothered these days.

Really though IMHO, it boils down to asthetics. The 10FP has a 'tactical' look, and the 12 BVSS doesn't. I would NOT get the 12 FVSS, the stock synthetic stocks are teh suck.

 

[Jeff000]

The .22-250 with a 1:10 should shoot 69 grain bullets, but the .223 with 1:9 should shoot 80 gr bullets. 80's will work at 1000 yards, 69's might.
80 gr will beat a 69 in the wind because of the BC.
The .22-250 may be faster but you are also using more powder.
Brass is much easier to come by for a .223 and cheaper.
Savage has also come out with a single shot bolt rifle in .223 with a stainless barrel and laminated stock, might be worth looking at.

Wouldnt the speed the bullet leaves have an effect on what bullet weight you want too?
I mean you dont see 308 or 338 in 1:9. I figured there had to be a reason. I always figured the slightly lighter bullet out of a 22-250 1:10 would be the same or better then a slight heavier bullet out of a .223 at 1:9

the model 12 precision varminter has me all hot and bothered these days.

Really though IMHO, it boils down to asthetics. The 10FP has a 'tactical' look, and the 12 BVSS doesn't. I would NOT get the 12 FVSS, the stock synthetic stocks are teh suck.

The FVSS is the cheapest, because of the crapy stock, I would replace with the choate stock.

 

[maynard]

Wouldnt the speed the bullet leaves have an effect on what bullet weight you want too?
I mean you dont see 308 or 338 in 1:9. I figured there had to be a reason. I always figured the slightly lighter bullet out of a 22-250 1:10 would be the same or better then a slight heavier bullet out of a .223 at 1:9

A 1:14 twist will not shot a heavy 80 gr bullet, no matter how fast you push it. So speed or Velocity does not equal weight.
The BC of the bullet effects the flight and what the wind does to the bullet.
The higher the BC the better. 69 gr SMK have a BC of .301 whereas the 80 gr has a BC of .420.
More velocity will not make a lower BC bullet better the a slightly slower more efficient bullet. You won't see a target rifle shooter shooting 55 gr bullets, it just won't get there at 1000 yards. 80 grainers work just fine at that distance.

Why don't you see a 1:9 twist .308 or .338. You never will in a factory rifle, but you can get a custom barrel made. The big thing for F class in the southern US right now is a fast twist .308 shooting 200-220 grain bullets with BC's at .565 and .629.

The .22-250 with a 1:8 twist might have an advantage over a .223, 1:8 shooting the same bullets. Now the happiness of a extra few hundred fps over the .223 will turn your smile upside down when you are replacing your barrel at 4000 round and the guy shooting the .223 is getting 8000 rounds before rebarreling. Not only that, but you have spent about 1/3 more on powder with a .22-250.

 

[Jeff000]

A 1:14 twist will not shot a heavy 80 gr bullet, no matter how fast you push it. So speed or Velocity does not equal weight.
The BC of the bullet effects the flight and what the wind does to the bullet.
The higher the BC the better. 69 gr SMK have a BC of .301 whereas the 80 gr has a BC of .420.
More velocity will not make a lower BC bullet better the a slightly slower more efficient bullet. You won't see a target rifle shooter shooting 55 gr bullets, it just won't get there at 1000 yards. 80 grainers work just fine at that distance.

Why don't you see a 1:9 twist .308 or .338. You never will in a factory rifle, but you can get a custom barrel made. The big thing for F class in the southern US right now is a fast twist .308 shooting 200-220 grain bullets with BC's at .565 and .629.

The .22-250 with a 1:8 twist might have an advantage over a .223, 1:8 shooting the same bullets. Now the happiness of a extra few hundred fps over the .223 will turn your smile upside down when you are replacing your barrel at 4000 round and the guy shooting the .223 is getting 8000 rounds before rebarreling. Not only that, but you have spent about 1/3 more on powder with a .22-250.

Ok that makes sence.
So basically your saying factory the .223 is better.
but with a custom barrel the 22.250 will have the advantage, but at the cost of barrel life and powder cost.

So now is the 2" shorter barrel on the 10FP a hinderence at all with a .223?

And what is the big use for 22-250 if it seems the 223 is all over better.

 

[prosper]

And what is the big use for 22-250 if it seems the 223 is all over better.

It's for people who have more to compensate for?

Seriously, it has a flatter trajectory for short-mid range shooting. Once bullet drop starts to become a factor, then the 223 tends to be the more popular choice. The differences between the two seem a lot larger on paper than in reality

 

[maynard]

Well if you only shoot 100 rounds a year the 22-250 barrel will last you about 40 years. If you are shooting 1000-1500 rounds a year, you are looking for a new barrel after 3 seasons. The .223 will last about twice as long.
If you can push an 80 gr bullet about 2800-2900 fps it will make it 1000 yards. You will only lose about 50 fps for every inch of barrel length.