Savage BVSS vs Remington VTR which is the better rifle?

USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION. BETTER YET, WHY NOT LOOK JUST A FEW TOPICS DOWN? THIS IS DEBATED HERE JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER DAY !!!
 
thumper1, you are of course correct in that posting is not required. However, this has been beat beyond any hope of constructive feedback and will degenerate predictably with supporters extoling respective virtues.

All or almost all gunsmths I know prefer to work on Remingtons. If you go to benchrestcentral.com you will see blunt opinions. Savages are hit and miss and often have bad barrels. Sam Adams, gunsmith, has also seen many very poor Rem barrels lately.

Mystic, a huge Savage fan, wil pipe in and advise Savages will shoot well with a new "pipe". This also applies to Rems and most will advise to start with the latter.

Quality control for both is poor. Yours may or may not shoot and it is ratios that determine quality in all products. Individual exponents don't usually look at the overall picture, but people in the accuracy game, such as myself, deal with this daily and do see quantities.

Please consult: competitive shooters, those in the accuracy business, top gunsmiths, all of whom look at the numbers.

With best regards,

Peter Dobson
Hirsch Precision Inc.
Lapua in Canada
 
Thank you Peter!

Neither one is a precision rifle; they are inexpensive factory guns that are fine for hunting, hitting tin cans at 100 yards and dressing them up to make them look like they should shoot better than they really do.

It's like asking whether the K-car is better than a Chevy X car in my opinion.
 
Personally, I prefer working on the Savages. I have found the quality of some recent Remington products have not impressed me at all.

Scott
 
Dan:

You are quite civil. It it is some of us old crotchity types that are cranky. I was also expecting this to also degenerate into Rem 700 v custom debate, which is 20+ years old!

The best advise is often at the range or from your gunsmith. Obtunded advises there are lots of good gunsmiths. We in Eastern Canada are not so fortunate!

Best regards,

Peter
 
Quality control for both is poor.
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That just about sums it up.

Buying a new rifle these days is hit and miss at best.

Of course you can always send your brand new rifle in for repair at a warranty center.:mad:

My last two rifles I bought were Savage and Remington.

Both needed to be sent out for repair.
 
We still have the original question, "Savage BVSS vs Remington VTR which is the better rifle?", to answer. They are different, so based on features and calibers is one better ? No one can say they are custom guns , but for what they are can the question be answered ? I "assume" that one (VTR) is more portable to start with and the other may have features relating to the stock which make it more accurate. I am certainly a noobie on the subject, but I would like to know as well. You gotta start somewhere.
 
Dan, you go ahead and ask questions that have been asked and answered here however many thousand of times. There are some who will chime in to chastise you for not using the search or assume that you have been on this site reading all of the ongoing posts as they happen. Don't worry about them, some of us will still respond in a reasonable, respectful manner.
I have a Savage 12BVSS in .223. I have about 200 rounds through it. I really like the Accutrigger for the most part. It is not quite as crisp as I would like. There is a rough spot in the pull, but it is predictable and the pull weight is good ~ 2 lbs. The bolt is unattractive with the large allen head on the end. The heavy 26" barrel is nice looking and is slow to heat up. The laminated stock has a palm swell that I am still unsure if I like it or not. There seems to be quite a bit of flex in the forearm of the stock which suprised me, I thought the laminate would have been stiffer. I don't think that the flex affects anything, it is just a little disconcerting.
I have never shot the VTR, but I have liked the other versions of 700 that I have shot or owned. The triangle barrel looks really cool. The pre-Xmark trigger 700's are terriffic after a proper massage. Don't know about the Xmark trigger personally. Action is generally smooth and certainly proven reliable and accurate. No more hokey J-Lock bolt thing.
I would give the edge to the Remington. But that is just me. Good luck and you won't go too wrong with either.
 
I am no expert marksman or F-Class shooter, just do it for fun, but I can tell you from personal experience that a Savage 12BVSS in either .223 or .22-250 is much more then just an, "inexpensive factory gun that is fine for hunting, hitting tin cans at 100 yards and dressing them up to make them look like they should shoot better than they really do". This gun is an extremely accurate rifle well beyond 100 yards.
 
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