Savage Mark II Extraction Issue

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200 rounds in and I started having extraction issues. And it is very picky on the ammo that it can extract. For example, the Winchester Wildcats fail almost every other round and I have no issues with federal champions. Sure I could just use federal all the time but the problem may start to present itself with currently reliable ammo. I've tried sharpening the extractor pin for a better bite, I've flexed the extractor/ejector spring a hair more for a better pinch, and I cleaned and lubed the bore. Still has an extraction issue. I've read that doubling up the extractor/ejector spring works well, but for the life of me I cannot find another spring to buy in Canada. Rangeview sells them but I've been on their notify when restocked list for a year and nothing. I tried calling Savage Arms Canada and they just say they are currently having a high volume of callers and disconnects. I put in a service ticket so we will see what happens.

So I guess what I'm asking is, have any of you had the same issue and found a reliable and consistent fix? Does anyone know where I can get another spring for the double up method?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
Winchester Wildcats also run like total garbage in my Mark II - both failures to fire and eject. In addition to that, I see LOTS of complaints about them in general.

I would just not bother with it, there's plenty of other brands. The only other brand I have issues with is cci mini mags, they fail to extract sometimes.

There IS a fix for weak extraction on these guns as you mentioned, but just not buying Winchester or mini mags was easier for me. And it won't fix FTF issues if you get those with wildcats like I did.

I almost exclusively use standard velocity ammo in my Mark IIs these days. Cci SV for cheap stuff, things like Eley Club or RWS Club when I want better groups. I don't play with the really expensive stuff, but I find the consistency of bulk high velocity gives me too many fliers, I save that stuff for the semi autos now.
 
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Most likely Savage just isn't cutting the extractor slots close enough to the chamber mouth, which doesn't leave enough of the rim exposed to the extractor claw for reliable extraction. Rim width varies a little between ammo brands, which is why you can have issues with some but not others. The real fix is rework of the extractor slots. Everything else is just a band-aid.
 
I found Win 22LR to be cra* in most cases, so as Souther says, just I avoid it. Fed Champion 40g RNL is SV, the 36g is HV and is what you mostly find 'in stores'. I bought a few K during the "C" and use that for 'practicing my form', then switch to SK-Rifle Match for scoring/groups. CCI-SV is nearly as good but also nearly as pricey as SK, so I go for the better ammo.
As for the FTE, that is a 'common issue' for the MKIIs and as was said the 'best solutions' are 1) make sure the extractor and ejector are in the proper slots and 2) get an added spring to 'double up'. If you've been on a 'call me list' for almost a year, how come only 200 rounds ?
And have you cleaned the chamber for a Carbon Ring? 200 rounds of that Win-Cra* could make that a problem, too.
Also, here's a link to Savage shooters thread with that sort of problem, it may give you ideas. http s://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?63716-New-twist-on-MkII-extraction-problem-now-cases-won-t-eject
 
Suther said:
Winchester Wildcats also run like total garbage in my Mark II - both failures to fire and eject. In addition to that, I see LOTS of complaints about them in general.

I would just not bother with it, there's plenty of other brands. The only other brand I have issues with is cci mini mags, they fail to extract sometimes.

There IS a fix for weak extraction on these guns as you mentioned, but just not buying Winchester or mini mags was easier for me. And it won't fix FTF issues if you get those with wildcats like I did.

I almost exclusively use standard velocity ammo in my Mark IIs these days. Cci SV for cheap stuff, things like Eley Club or RWS Club when I want better groups. I don't play with the really expensive stuff, but I find the consistency of bulk high velocity gives me too many fliers, I save that stuff for the semi autos now.
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Thanks for the input! I'll have to try out the Eley and RWS and see what kind of groups I get. The Wildcats were just on sale so I bought a box and noticed they were terrible with extraction. Luckily my buddy had his revolver so we just used the rest on it.

Maybe I'll just stick with what it likes. Hoping the problem doesn't migrate to the reliable rounds🤞
 
Leuchtkafer said:
Most likely Savage just isn't cutting the extractor slots close enough to the chamber mouth, which doesn't leave enough of the rim exposed to the extractor claw for reliable extraction. Rim width varies a little between ammo brands, which is why you can have issues with some but not others. The real fix is rework of the extractor slots. Everything else is just a band-aid.
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I did see one mod where they machined the slots deeper to get a better/earlier grab. And he said he's gone 2000 rounds without a single issue. So I totally agree with you.
 
this is a inherent problem that dates back to the first years of production early 1970's late 60'd when manufactured by lake field it was not corrected when savage purchased the production rights
there is know fix that is 100% perfect
i have done lake field warranty back in the day and savage back in the day people would a new gun and it would not extract right out of the box
sadly i would tell them that if the company could not make them work what do you expect me to do best just send directly back
finely i just dropped doing there warranty work
the single shot mk1 was no better
and yet the mk 111 semi worked a bit better
just saying good luck
 
Melrek,

Your issue with your Savage MK II is extremely common.
Normally a new spring, extractor, and ejector from Savage Canada rectifies this issue.
Cleaning your rifle thoroughly, especially the chamber, bolt face, bore, and receiver helps substantially. Like Buck1950 stated.
Re-contact Savage Canada at 705-652-8000, and have them send you the three aforementioned parts under warranty.
Be persistent and keep calling, eventually you will get through to someone.

If you would like to try the spare second spring trick, PM me and I have a spare one in my gun parts box.

TH…..:)
Melrek said:
I did see one mod where they machined the slots deeper to get a better/earlier grab. And he said he's gone 2000 rounds without a single issue. So I totally agree with you.
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Buck1950 said:
I found Win 22LR to be cra* in most cases, so as Souther says, just I avoid it. Fed Champion 40g RNL is SV, the 36g is HV and is what you mostly find 'in stores'. I bought a few K during the "C" and use that for 'practicing my form', then switch to SK-Rifle Match for scoring/groups. CCI-SV is nearly as good but also nearly as pricey as SK, so I go for the better ammo.
As for the FTE, that is a 'common issue' for the MKIIs and as was said the 'best solutions' are 1) make sure the extractor and ejector are in the proper slots and 2) get an added spring to 'double up'. If you've been on a 'call me list' for almost a year, how come only 200 rounds ?
And have you cleaned the chamber for a Carbon Ring? 200 rounds of that Win-Cra* could make that a problem, too.
Also, here's a link to Savage shooters thread with that sort of problem, it may give you ideas. http s://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?63716-New-twist-on-MkII-extraction-problem-now-cases-won-t-eject
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So the 200 rounds was recently after I bought the rifle and started looking into fixes and heard of the double up method so I started the search for a second spring (early 2024) and signed for the wait list. Fast forward to today I would say I've put in around 1000 and am still having the issue and never found a spring. So I tried sharpening the extractor, flexed the spring, and cleaned the bore. Still the same issue.

As for the ammo I typically just bought whatever was on sale at Cabela's at the time. Which is usually CCI SV, Federal champion, CCI stingers (which I haven't used since they are HV), and a couple wildcats x50. I think I only ran about 20 or 30 rounds of the wildcats before I tossed them to a friend saying they don't work for me but set it as a standard for "I know my extraction issue is fixed when I can get through a magazine of these".

I will check closer for a carbon ring build up but I do clean it regularly so I don't think one has developed.

Thanks for the link, I'll have some research to do during lunch tomorrow😅. And I'll definitely try out those SK Rifle-march rounds.
 
struff55 said:
this is a inherent problem that dates back to the first years of production early 1970's late 60'd when manufactured by lake field it was not corrected when savage purchased the production rights
there is know fix that is 100% perfect
i have done lake field warranty back in the day and savage back in the day people would a new gun and it would not extract right out of the box
sadly i would tell them that if the company could not make them work what do you expect me to do best just send directly back
finely i just dropped doing there warranty work
the single shot mk1 was no better
and yet the mk 111 semi worked a bit better
just saying good luck
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Thanks for the insight into the issue. Maybe it just is what it is.
 
jhnvan said:
Can confirm the extractor groove is the only real solution. When I had a mk2 I took the barrel out and just made the groove slightly deeper. Never had an issue after that no matter what ammo I used.
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How did you deepen the groove? With a file?
 
Melrek - Just a BTW here. I'd maybe use a dremel with a grinding disc to 'deepen' the ext grooves - if you have a steady hand. Otherwise maybe use the disc w/o power on? I don't have a MKII, but I do have a B22-FV. These have the 'conical' chamber end so never had a prob with Ext/Ej. I still clean at around 100-rounds OR every range trip. I use Boretech C-4 Carbon solvent on a patch in the chamber for about 1/2 hour, then pull ( I PULL from the muzzle carefully ) the patch on thru to remove any 'other debris'. I check the chamber with a Teslong when I get home, then clean even if the ring is not very heavy. It's easier to 'keep ahead' of Carbon build-up, than to 'catch up when the C-ring F's your shots.
 
I used a jeweller's file after I had the barrel out. You really don't need that much taken out.

Punch the retaining dowel out, use a bit of heat if you need to. Barrel is out pretty easy. To put it back in, just make everything is lined up properly.
 
Guys,

I was given another number to try from another member to contact Savage. Took 10 mins to connect to someone and they are sending me a new set of hardware free of charge. The lady said the new spring has a greater force and the new arms are made of a stronger material and it's a known issue they are addressing. She took my S# so she must have known which hardware I had on it. I will post the results of this upgraded hardware.

I would like to throw this number out there for anyone with the same issue 1-800-370-0708. This worked much better than the Savage Arms Canada number.

jhnvan Thanks for the help. I may have more questions on deepening the extractor/ejector channels when I go to do it.

Buck1950 I am going to try out your method of cleaning. To confirm, you are leaving the solvent soaked patch on the area without agitation for 30mins? Or are you scrubbing the area for 30mins with the solvent?
 
I have a B22 and have problems only extracting 38gr Aguila ammo that I use for shooting gophers. Everything else that Ive tried has worked good. I think the only reason that this stuff doesnt work, is because it has a heavy amount of some waxy stuff on it.

After being out and shooting some gophers yesterday, I came home and took it apart and found this. And kind of funny that I found this thread to.
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Looks like Im missing over half the end. That might make a difference. :) Anyways I called the number above for Savage Arms Canada and have a new kit coming in the mail. DIdnt have any problems after waiting to talk to someone.
 
Melrek, I just let it sit there for about that long. If you have a Nylon brush (you should buy some on amazon - also some "all-brass brushes" with brass 'core' ) you might want to scrub if it's not 'really clean' after One app. Mine usually comes out OK tho. If you have a bit of a build-up the first time may take 2-3 apps. And the Cheapest Bore-tech C-4 is at http s://nechakooutdoors.ca/bore-tech-c4-carbon-solvent-16oz/ @ $60 for a 16-oz bottle but that will prob last for a Year or MORE. ( I only put 5-6-drops on a patch. I use the small bottles that 'Visine' etc come in for better control. An eyedropper would work too.
BTW, what Savage number did you use ? Sometimes it goes straight to hold for me.
EDIT: I see the number, reading too fast b4 dinner. :rolleyes:
 
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