Savage Mark II Magazine - Feeding Issues and Jams - Cause Found

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I know that not everyone has this problem and for a while I thought it was me, but as my CZ rimfire bolt action feeds and extracts flawlessly, I was wondering if it was the Mark II, since I have the original OEM magazine for the Mark II as well as two new aluminum ones I bought earlier (10 rounders). All have the same problem, which is failure to feed / jams. Doesn't matter how fast or slow I cycle the bolt, most of the rounds get jammed on feeding. Tried different types of .22LR ammo. Same thing.

Based on a CGNer here posting a solution for this with steel epoxying the magazines, presumably due to them falling apart:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1974321-Simple-fix-for-Savage-MkII-22lr-mags

I took a look at what the fix was doing and then I took a look at mine and tried something different to confirm the cause.

Symptom - rounds get jammed when feeding. This is 80-90% of the time.

Action I tried - it appears there is a lot of play with back and forth rocking of the magazine - doesn't matter if it was steel or aluminum. What I tried, after the magazine was inserted and secured, was to hold the magazine UP with pressure while at the same time pushing the magazine BACK with one hand, while the other hand, cycling the bolt (I used snap caps). To my surprise, all 10 rounds fed and ejected flawlessly. I tried again with both my OEM magazine and the new aluminum ones, hold the magazine up and back. Every single round fed and ejected with no problems (up to 80 times flawlessly). I then took my hand off each mag and tried to cycle the rounds. Every mag started jamming again.

Cause - turns out without manual intervention, the round sits at a very very slight angle due to the play in the magazine (up and down and front and back) and as such, will not feed, causing the jam. It is the slight play that is causing this. I don't know whether the problem is the magazine or gun, but based on Mystic Precision's solution, that epoxy will essentially fill in the gaps and cause a more secure fit, thereby eliminating the movement, forcing the magazine to be at the level it needs to be so that the rounds can feed.
 
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What ammo? aluminum ones? never seen them... have your magazines ever been dropped and stepped on? if so, just get some new black steel ones.
 
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No, the magazines never been dropped or stepped on - no abuse or mis-use whatsoever. I bought two new OEM aluminum ones earlier this year and out of the package it was the same thing.

.22LR ammo tried include CCI Mini Mags, CCI Stingers, Eley Sport, Eley Tenet, S&B, Remington CBee, CCI CB Long, Remington Thunderbolt, Federal Champion, SK Standard, and RWS Target Pistol Sport.

Holding the inserted mag UP and pressure BACK has ensured 100% successful feeding.
 
I dunno man. I've had about 6 mark IIs pass through my hands over the years. They all feed flawlessly. There have been various receivers over the years, some longer than others. I believe you have an older one that's shorter. Maybe this is something that's worked out in newer production. All I can tell you, for sure, is it's not a universal problem.

I've got my son working up for project mapleseed with his Mark II-F (2009 vintage) and he/we can run the bolt gently or very hard/fast from the bench or various field positions. I honestly can't remember a single feeding error. Same for my fancy target model and all the others we've had over the years.

Maybe it's just your rifle man. Enough torque on the action screws? Maybe just a lemon rifle. Who knows.
 
What ammo? aluminum ones? never seen them... have your magazines ever been dropped and stepped on? if so, just get some new black steel ones.

They're not aluminum. They're either stainless steel or steel with a nickle finish. The package claims "stainless steel" but it sure looks like a nickle finish to me. I suspect they just mean it has the look of stainless or is a match for the stainless rifles. In any event, it's not aluminum. Same weight as the black steel one.
 
I dunno man. I've had about 6 mark IIs pass through my hands over the years. They all feed flawlessly. There have been various receivers over the years, some longer than others. I believe you have an older one that's shorter. Maybe this is something that's worked out in newer production. All I can tell you, for sure, is it's not a universal problem.

I've got my son working up for project mapleseed with his Mark II-F (2009 vintage) and he/we can run the bolt gently or very hard from the bench or various feeding positions. I honestly can't remember a single feeding error. Same for my fancy target model and all the others we've had over the years.

Maybe it's just your rifle man. Enough torque on the action screws?

Yes, I am thinking it may be the rifle, because other people have not reported the same thing. You are correct - mine is from older - 2005. Plus the SS magazines were bought this year. Hard to believe that current production magazines are all out of spec.
 
They're not aluminum. They're either stainless steel or steel with a nickle finish. The package claims "stainless steel" but it sure looks like a nickle finish to me. I suspect they just mean it has the look of stainless or is a match for the stainless rifles. In any even, it's not aluminum.

Sorry, my mistake. Stainless steel is what it said on the package.
 
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