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I have a savage mk ii on a bipod. For some reason the first shot after every magazine change shoots low and to the left. It is consistently low and left. The following 9 shots group pretty well.

Has anyone else experienced this or is this a user error?
 
alltieear said:
I have a savage mk ii on a bipod. For some reason the first shot after every magazine change shoots low and to the left. It is consistently low and left. The following 9 shots group pretty well.

Has anyone else experienced this or is this a user error?
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Sometimes you get what they call stringing as the barrel heats up . it's a thin barrel on those rifles. let it cool down a little between mags to see if it makes a difference. let us know what happens .
 
single feed, or reinsert the mag after every shot.

I had a scorpio that shot 1st 0.5" high - I actually would aim at the bottom of the target on Rd 1 to compensate so that I could pass Mapleseed.
 
alltieear said:
I have a savage mk ii on a bipod. For some reason the first shot after every magazine change shoots low and to the left. It is consistently low and left. The following 9 shots group pretty well.

Has anyone else experienced this or is this a user error?
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Is this rifle new? At what distance was this experienced? How often has this occurred? Every single time a magazine is changed, without exception?

If it's happened only a relatively small number of times, the low and to the left may be a chance occurance. If it happens all the time without fail, it suggests a feeding problem that causes the first round to be damaged as it enters the chamber. Subsequent rounds from the magazine don't seem to be similarly affected.
 
Try loading the mag with 9 rounds and see if it happens. Try another magazine if you have one. Could be a mag issue for some obscure reason with the way it sits in the rifle.
 
I'll try to respond to everyone's questions in this post.

I don't remember the exact model code, but the savage has a synthetic stock and thin barrels. I am currently shooting federal black pack that I purchased years ago.

It could be a dirty barrel problem. I might have around 500 rounds through it since the last clean.

Single loading might be a good way to test if it is a feeding issue. I will try that the next time I am out.
 
Alltieer, Are you having to reload the mag between shooting rounds? or do you have several mags. That 2-3 minutes may be enuf for the Carbon ring to 'stiffen up' and then damage the first round. I have several mags for most of my 22s and notice when I have to reload mags I often have 1st-rnd flyers . . . in all my 22lr rifles. From my Sav-64, Sav B22, Marlin 60 (have to reload tube after 15, takes 1-minute with my 'loader'), CZ-455, CZ457 V-MTR. The flyers are noticeable in the B22 and CZs, the others aren't nearly as accurate. I'm starting to clean the chamber with C4 after 50 rnds or so to help avoid that.
Beyond that, I'd suggest getting a Teslong borescope to see what's in there, may be a lot of carbon throughout. Also, use some SV ammo, the HV is less consistent generally. Finally, get (or borrow) a stable sled or Front-rest/rear bag combo to reduce motion of the rifle for testing accuracy of the gun. Bipods generally take a lot of skill to hold a small group. JMO
 
First step would be to really clean the action, the mag, the chamber and the first few inches of the bore, just to rule out the obvious reason this could be happening. 500 rounds is enough to build up quite a bit of carbon. Next, try chambering that first round then carefully ejecting it (without firing). Examine the bullet for deformations. Do the same for the 2nd and 3rd round in the mag - look for something different. Next, try spacing your shots out to the same interval. eg. 1 min including between the last round of the mag and first round of the next mag to check for a heat issue (unlikely with a rimfire, but possible). When it's cold and when it's really hot check clearance between your stock and barrel with a piece of paper - see if it's contacting anywhere (again, unlikely with a rimfire).

Oh, and also, cheap ammo is not seated very firmly in the brass. I've had bullets seated so badly in Win555 and Rem bulk that I could just pull the bullet out of the brass by hand. If you're shooting bulk pack, maybe try a box of CCI, SK, Eley, etc. again, just to rule out an ammo problem.

Good luck
 
got a cz455 with a similar issue. first shot out of a mag (5 or 10rd) is high right. Gonna try a thorough bore cleaning to get carbon/carbon ring, built up lead etc. also gonna try single shots
 
Canuck65 said:
Oh, and also, cheap ammo is not seated very firmly in the brass. I've had bullets seated so badly in Win555 and Rem bulk that I could just pull the bullet out of the brass by hand. If you're shooting bulk pack, maybe try a box of CCI, SK, Eley, etc. again, just to rule out an ammo problem.

Good luck
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often wondered about that, how it takes so much more torque on the bullet when loading that 10th round, in any mag
 
Thanks everyone for their suggestions.
I took the rifle out again and there are no longer any fliers on the first shot after reloading.

It was either a dirty barrel or the bipod that was causing the issue, which is strange because it only affected the first shot. Maybe the first shot melted/deformed/ removed any residue inside the barrel, making it relatively more uniform for any subsequent shots.
 
al - I use C4 on a patch after firing for the day - just stuff one into the chamber b4 I leave the range. Then clean when I get home, the C4 cleans the chamber well. And pull thru with that patch to clean the bore, then a dry patch. Usually does the job. My 'normal' range day runs 50-100 rounds per rifle - I take a few to let them cool off alternating guns. With no Carbon ring to 'harden' after 20-30 rounds, the cooling time doesn't matter.
I suggest you don't go 500 w/o cleaning :rolleyes:
 
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