savage model 12 bvss with barnaul 308... safe to shoot????...

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Like the title says... I just got a new rifle. At current, I have no other Ammo to shoot for it but what I had previously from my M14...
Same caliber, non corrosive... but steel case and I'm assuming copper washed steel jacket, like other "surplus" type cartridges...
Would I be ruining the barrel by shooting this ammo???
 
Sure buddy... grab all the popcorn you like....��
Ya... I'm a little new to this side of the sport...

OK... what am I looking for in the manner of the recovered projectiles???
 
mckutzy said:
Sure buddy... grab all the popcorn you like....��
Ya... I'm a little new to this side of the sport...

OK... what am I looking for in the manner of the recovered projectiles???
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I would look at the rifling cut into the projectile, and see if it is still covered in copper where it was deformed by the rifling. If it's still all copper, then it is copper alone that is riding on the grooves and lands of the barrel, and should be no different than a copper jacketed lead bullet. I'm not saying that if there is steel exposed, that it is bad, but if its all copper, you are 100% safe. I am curious what you will find. You could shoot into a box filled with sand, or stacked with newspapers (wet?), thick enough to stop the projectile. I'm sure if you shot straight into 8 milk jugs filled with water, they would stop the bullet, but there is a chance the bullet might veer off and be lost.

I have shot copper washed steel bullets through my AR-15, and it didn't seem to do any harm, but then again I didn't shoot 10,000 round or more, probably just 300-500.
 
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OK.. I see what your getting at...
Steel on steel is what the issue is...

I'll see if I'm able to set a bullet trap.... I'm pretty sure the range I go to doesn't allow non conventional targets to be shot at...
 
Am I thinking wrong by saying that it is steel cased but the bullet is still copper jacketed, so how would it be any worse ?
 
Try a magnet on the bullet. See if it sticks, to indicate steel in bullet itself. If it sticks to a magnet, it has something ferrous in it. After that, scrape or cut into the projectile to see if it is a steel jacket, or if it simply has a steel core. Either is a possiblity. Some bullets to save cost, they use a steel core for weight, internally. Some bullets have been made with a steel jacket over the bullet, and the steel jacket has been coated with a thin coating of copper.
 
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If you are really curious. Pull a bullet off 1 round and cut it in half. A few boxes wont cause a black hole.

If it was a regular 12FV, I'd say. F**ckin' send ER, boys

I've had 30 carbine ammo. That had just enough metal to attract to a magnet. But when you cut it open. It was no thicker than 2 pieces of tin foil.
 
Personally I wouldn't worry with the factory savage barrel.... nice pricey match grade stainless.... how about nooo.


Show us some groups when you go shoot. Barnaul for me had been stuiply accurate. In a few calibers it's beaten pmc, s&b quite handily.
 
Thank for the suggestions...
Ya, the bullets are steel core, and quite likely steel jacketed. Copper wash does come off with scraping with a knife...
Lead is part of the core.
Ill try a few out to see what is does... monitor how the gun looks after shooting.
Try to take a few pic of how it shoots.

I also found a box of 7.62 NATO... so well see how that shoots aswell...
 
So what kind of ammo should I go buy for this??? Brand/weight ect......
Like I said, im kinda new to this side of shooting....
 
What are you intentions? Is it hunting? Long range shooting? Having some fun at the range at 100 yards?

Target grade 308 ammo is going to be very costly, unless you reload, and even then its not going to be cheap. You might get some decent accuracy from the cheapest hunting ammo you can buy. About all you can do is try it and find out.
 
Magnetic [mild steel] jacket material has been used for SP hunting bullets in European loadings for years.
(Norma, RWS, etc) Never heard that it created any problems, even in some very high velocity chamberings.
I would not be concerned about it, personally. Dave.
 
At one time I had 500 Lapua 7mm match bullets with a cupra nickel jacket. They had a rebated boat tail , first time I ever saw tgat bullet design in real life.
They were super accurate in every 7mm I tried them in.
Wish I had more!
I'd shoot your bullets in any rifle they were chambered for no worries.
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I didnt take any pics of my target, I shot about 60 rnds. in 5 shot groups, to dial it in, the gun seemed to shoot about ~2" at 100....
I think the scope mounts were loosening up a but... so the zero was starting to go....
I notice the thumb screws were not tight on the one mount, after when I was cleaning...Next time Ill keep checking the mounts to see if it getting loose...

Over all it went relatively smoothly... I haven't really shot out to that distance before, so it was a learning experience...
Some other guys there were liking the stock it has and the gun over all, they were doing long distance shooting.
 
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I didnt take any pics of my target, I shot about 60 rnds. in 5 shot groups, to dial it in, the gun seemed to shoot about ~2" at 100....
I think the scope mounts were loosening up a but... so the zero was starting to go....
I notice the thumb screws were not tight on the one mount, after when I was cleaning...Next time Ill keep checking the mounts to see if it getting loose...

Over all it went relatively smoothly... I haven't really shot out to that distance before, so it was a learning experience...
Some other guys there were liking the stock it has and the gun over all, they were doing long distance shooting.
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If you notice this. Best to take the rings off, the bases. Clean the holes with alcohol, dry and then add some blue locktite. Then re install them.

If you don't have a Torque wrench, tighten till tight, then add a 1/8 turn. Haven't had my Talley loosen in hundreds of rounds.
 
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