SCAR vs ACR Part III
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Thank you. I knew I was missing something. Every board seems to be different. But I got it now.
It would make a world of difference in the handling of the rifle. If they don't, I hope a 3rd party does.
Nice review.
Although it kind of bugs me when guys do comparisons to ARs and 1911s.
A high hold on a 1911 makes practical sense. Doing it on a rifle may or may not make sense. Every firearm out there is only as ergonomic as the user wants to adapt their style of shooting or operation of it.
Although it kind of bugs me when guys do comparisons to ARs and 1911s.
A high hold on a 1911 makes practical sense. Doing it on a rifle may or may not make sense. Every firearm out there is only as ergonomic as the user wants to adapt their style of shooting or operation of it.
It bugs me when people assume everyone uses a different technique for every firearm they own vs. doing things consistently.
A proper grip, as taught by just about every rifle or handgun course I'm aware of is a deep, solid grip on the rifle or handgun. It gives you better control over it for not just shooting but also thrusting, etc. I don't think it's unfair to expect the selector lever to remain clear of the operators firing finger regardless of his or her grip style.Great review, and looking forward to the accuracy testing.
I also agree that your grip should be consistent...whether it's on your pistol or carbine.
I think that this goes to show that Magpul, although a maker of many fine products,some of which adorn my firearms, didn't have the depth of experience that FN had in terms of designing, and refining, the ergonomics of their weapon. However, they demonstrate their superior attention to other attributes ...the stock...at which they often excel over the bigger manufacturers.
I also agree that your grip should be consistent...whether it's on your pistol or carbine.
I think that this goes to show that Magpul, although a maker of many fine products,some of which adorn my firearms, didn't have the depth of experience that FN had in terms of designing, and refining, the ergonomics of their weapon. However, they demonstrate their superior attention to other attributes ...the stock...at which they often excel over the bigger manufacturers.
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Your review and comparisons are very well done and thought out, The only thing that poisons me is I wasn't paying attention due to work demands over the last year and missed out on what may have been our only opportunity to purchase the SCAR here, Don't suppose you'd send yours up to me so I can do my own comparison?
Ok then. I'll try to remember that the next time I pick up my Fabarm or 625.
Certainly not disputing that, just pointing out the fact your review is based on personal bias surrounding another platform you are familiar with as opposed to an actual design flaw with the rifle. You can certainly get a solid grip on the rifle although you may need to mount it slightly differently from what you are used to.
Anyhow, not here to piss in your cornflakes. I honestly appreciate the work put into the production.
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Great vid's. Really helpful to see the two used side by side.
It bugs me when people assume everyone uses a different technique for every firearm they own vs. doing things consistently.
I think this may have been mitigated with the selector was located higher.
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On the note of ergonomics, I would be very interested to see drills done on both systems. I was originally very excited about the Magpul Masada turn Bushmaster ACR prototype for the simplicity and location of controls.
I have yet to see anyone go through the process of practicing remedial action drills on something like the SCAR. For a lefty, I see this working quite well but for the right hander, this seems quite difficult wrt locking the bolt back, etc.
blaxsun
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True. But since that probably requires some degree of re-design, at this point the simpler solution is to release a low profile version that people can simply swap out for whichever side they prefer.
blaxsun
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I think the ARX-160 is going to completely blow away both the SCAR and ACR in terms of ergonomics, ambidextrous capability and accessibility to controls. The charging handle can be swapped without tools in mere seconds, you can change the side where it ejects with the tip of a round and the 3-second barrel change is well - simply unheard of.
blaxsun
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That barrel system is just fantastic. I think price (if/when available here) is going to be $3k-ish - same as the SCAR or ACR. And you know what, with what the ARX-160 has to be offer - I'm cool with $3k. Add a longer 6.8spc barrel and you've now got a NR for hunting.
Another great video, looking forward to the next part, and have a great vacation!
On the subject of the ARX160, really looking forward to this rifle, everything I've seen about it so far looks fantastic, with the exception of the fact that they're not planning on releasing it in the US until next year, which means we've got quite a wait ahead of us.
On the subject of the ARX160, really looking forward to this rifle, everything I've seen about it so far looks fantastic, with the exception of the fact that they're not planning on releasing it in the US until next year, which means we've got quite a wait ahead of us.
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Wow, you're killing me... These attitudes are why our prices our out of control on the cool, potentially non-res guns. "I'll pay whatever, bend me over please" IIRC reps for the ARX-160 said prices will be under $1900 guaranteed. So you are saying that over a 1k gouge is fine, geez I wish I had your money to piss away... The XCR has about a 500 dollar mark-up over American retail, that would be a hell of alot better then over 1k.
Just sayin' these are that attitudes that open the flood gates...
blaxsun
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You may look at $3k as pissing money away. I look at $3k as potentially saving me $3-$4k on several other black rifles that I no longer need. Where else can someone potentially get a compact PDW, carbine and non-restricted hunting rifle that's fully ambidextrous, compact and ergonomic - all in a quick-change/tool-less package? The potential for a .22LR plinker is also there (which would make things really interesting!).
Given the choice of a RobArms for $2,400 or the ARX-160 for $3,000, I think the decision is obvious - don't you? And while I'm not disagreeing that they indicated a tentative price of $2,000USD, this wouldn't be the first or the last time that a manufacturer has missed a target price due to circumstances beyond their control. I'm just trying to be realistic with my expectations.
