School me on the Pre war Mausers

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Alright so after collecting enough tacticool crap I think its time to relive some of the old country. As a younger guy i've never had much interest in the old pre war milsurp, but for some reason recently, I've been very interested in getting one. A guy I used to hunt with (ex para german army) had a 1898 Mauser that he had mounted a scope to for hunting, and I can't get that gun out of my head. It was gorgeous!

So what does a guy look for in old mausers?

Is there a preferred caliber? I reload so are components for some harder to get than others?

Bent bolt or straight bolt?

Besides a clean bore, what else does a guy look for?
 
You basically asked I want a car but I don't know what type I want.

Mausers come in all sorts of variety, there is likely one in pretty much every caliber made, and pretty much any configuration. There is carbines, short rifles, long rifle, high end, and low end rifles. There are sporters, in a variety of different types from factory made, to custom gunsmithed, to bubba with a hack saw. There is crude (like the Late War K98ks) and there is extremely fine (pre-war Commercial Mausers).

It depends on what you are looking for. Do you want a hunting rifle? Do you want a collectors piece? Do you want a shooter?

If your goal is beautifully made and finished rifles, look at Brazilian Mausers, or Argentinan Mausers (there is a beautiful M1909 Argentine Mauser on the EE right now) as a example of what can be found.

Things to consider is the older the Mauser the farther the minimum sight setting, most start at about 300m. Bent or Straight bolt is a personal preference thing. Other than overall condition look for if the serial numbers match, most Mauser manufacturers stamped pretty much every part with a serial number.

In terms of caliber, I will give a quick list of some you might encounter. 7x57, 6.5x55, 6.5x57, 8x57, 7.65x53, 30-06, etc. Basically do your research in terms of caliber, but most are easy enough to reload for once you have the dies (for example 7x57, 7.65x53, 8x57, and 30-06 all use the same case head, and can all be made from cut down .30-06 or just buy the brass from the store).

I would recommend buying the book 'Mauser Military Rifles of the World' by Robert Ball. It gives a very good general look at Mausers, covering them by country generally with pictures of each specific rifle. At the bare minimum it can help you in the future if you ever need to identify a Mauser.
 
'Mauser Military Rifles of the World' by Robert Ball

I did that, now I want to spend $50,000 on all the Mausers I want.

In my humble opinion,
the very best M98's are the pre-WWII Brazilian, Argentine and Venezuelan contract Mausers in 7x57/7.65x53. The workmanship is incredible.
the Swedish M96's in 6.5x55 are also incredible.
and, an early WWII German K98 is VERY nice to own and shoot in 8x57, including the postwar 308/30-06 reworks from Israel and Norway.
 
'Mauser Military Rifles of the World' by Robert Ball

I did that, now I want to spend $50,000 on all the Mausers I want.

Book of Evil indeed. I can concur to this.

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Type in Mauser here and gunboards. Read any thread and study all the pics of any gun deemed correct.

It takes years of study to be proficient.
 
I bought a Brazilian model 1935 7mm Mauser that was basically brand new, only fired at the factory. It even came with the original factory target shots and one of the most beautiful bayonets I have ever seen. It is definitely a work of art and shoots beautifully, in fact the bullet holes are so clean, it is like they were done with a paper punch which I have never seen before. Highly recommend.
 
If you only ever get one mauser, look for a Peruvian 1909, they are the finest I have seen and they have the "Mauser Original" stamp.

The pre-WWI South American contracts seem to be the nicest. Brazilian 1908, Argentine 1909, and Chilean 1912 are all extremely nice. The famous Brazilian 1935 just doesn't feel as nice to me as the pre-1914 guns.

The German 98k is a very nice rifle as well.

Then post WWII you have FN, Yugo, and FMAP producing rifles that while nice are not as nice as earlier rifles.

Basically:
Pre-1914 will be the nicest, then the pre mid WWII guns, then the post WWII guns.

That is just for 98 type Mausers, there are also the earlier models that tend to be of excellent quality. The Swedish rifles are excellent examples of this type.
 
there are also a large selection of factory original hunting , target, and training rifles . Trade Ex Canada at the top of the page is a good place to start looking also.
 
All the comments above stand, but ...

I have fired a Russian capture 98K and an FR8. The former is like trying to throw dirt with a shovel, the second one shows the evolution of what should have been there in the first place.

The back sight on the 98K barrel is the dumbest place available. The notch is huge and the post hard to aim well. Why would you intentionally take a foot of sight radius away?

The back sight on the FR8 on the other hand is as good as you'll find on a bolt action battle rifle. It is just like the dial sight on an FN C1A1, which makes it better than a Lee Enfield No.4 IMHO. My only complaint about the FR8 is the straight bolt handle. And it is a factory .308!
 
It's a very broad question, but specifically as it relates to K98's, CanadianAR and JBmauser are two of the most knowledgeable members here on CGN in reference to the K98, but I'd also recommend you join The K98k Forumhttp://www.k98kforum.com/.

In my opinion, it's the best forum on the Internet for this genre of old milsurp and is operated and frequented by published authors and very serious collectors of K98 Mausers.

Regards,
Doug
 
Thanks for the replies guys, as noted I took some time last night and did a lot of reading and watching. The history was amazing to read and go through and how the US gov't basically copied the mauser design without paying for it. I think I've settled on a pre WW1 mauser, While I appreciate the appeal and the design of a K98k, the craftmanship and quality of the pre war ones are hard to beat.

Besides tradeex, anywhere else that may have them?
 
Equipment Exchange, Gun Shows, maybe local gunstores on the used section.

Those firearms have been off the primary market for years and are only on the secondary market now. They come up time to time, however they also tend to sell fairly fast as well if they are in excellent condition.
 
^^^ post-up a photo of your Mauser family tree ^^^ lol

My Mauser family tree is really only one branch and only spans 5 years. Haha




It's a very broad question, but specifically as it relates to K98's, CanadianAR and JBmauser are two of the most knowledgeable members here on CGN in reference to the K98, but I'd also recommend you join The K98k Forumhttp://www.k98kforum.com/.

In my opinion, it's the best forum on the Internet for this genre of old milsurp and is operated and frequented by published authors and very serious collectors of K98 Mausers

Regards,
Doug

Thank you Doug. The k98k forum is the best place for Weimar and Nazi mausers.
But maybe a little slow for contract rifles. But WW1-Ww2 German mausers it's fantastic.

All the comments above stand, but ...

I have fired a Russian capture 98K and an FR8. The former is like trying to throw dirt with a shovel, the second one shows the evolution of what should have been there in the first place.

The back sight on the 98K barrel is the dumbest place available. The notch is huge and the post hard to aim well. Why would you intentionally take a foot of sight radius away?

The back sight on the FR8 on the other hand is as good as you'll find on a bolt action battle rifle. It is just like the dial sight on an FN C1A1, which makes it better than a Lee Enfield No.4 IMHO. My only complaint about the FR8 is the straight bolt handle. And it is a factory .308!

In defenses of the k98k defense, they never took the sight radius away. It was never there to begin with. Haha. And it was an improvement over the Lange-Vizier sight.
 
P and S has Chilean 1912 in 7x57.

^^^ This.

I picked one of those up from Jean. Bolt m/m, but still a great Mauser at what I believe is a good price. And I've learned over the years that one in the hand, beats a whole bunch of shoulda, woulda, coulda. It wasn't that long ago that P&S had POF Lee Enfields listed. I grabbed one, and glad I did, as there was a run on them, and try to find one now...
 
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