Looking to upgrade the scope on my Remington 700 20 inch barrel in 308. Looking at multiple scopes but cannot decide. Currently looking at bushnell Match pro 6-24( 700$) , Sig Saur Tango 4 6-24(650$) , Primary Arms 3-18X50mm FFP Rifle Scope – Illuminated ACSS EOS-308/65GRN( 475$) , Vortex DB tactical 4-16 FFP( $500) . Want a FFP and preferably MRad. Will be used for range use to 300 yards and possibly crown land up to as far as I can shoot . Maybe 600 yards ? So far best deal seems to be the Primary arms for $475 on Marstar but I have no experience with PA scopes . As of right now I have a more hunting oriented scope ( vortex diamondback HP 4-16 BDC SFP )
Scope decisions
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I am using a Primary arms, but it is the GLX model 4-16x50. It is a decent scope for what is was $ wise. I don't think I would do the lesser models though. The zoom ring is slightly more stiff than most other scopes, but not a deal breaker by any means. The scope itself is decent, with decent glass optics. This comparing to much better glass in the nightforce NSX range. I have gone to all FFP on my rifles for hunting as well, and have no issues going from the SFP scopes.
I would suggest saving a few more pennies and jumping up into the $1100 range, and you get a bigger offering of better glass. Leupold, swaro, have offerings in that range, that IMO are better optics, but you do pay a bit more for them.
I would suggest saving a few more pennies and jumping up into the $1100 range, and you get a bigger offering of better glass. Leupold, swaro, have offerings in that range, that IMO are better optics, but you do pay a bit more for them.
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I recently ordered myself a new optic. Through Mystic Precision on the forum here. Its a Athlon Optics Helos BTR Gen 2 2-12×42 FFP MIL the reticle is a little odd but will work for my needs.
If you message Jerry he typically has lots of info an experience. Not trying to add to the scope options but these are all options I had on the table as well before I spoke with Jerry.
Cheers,
B
If you message Jerry he typically has lots of info an experience. Not trying to add to the scope options but these are all options I had on the table as well before I spoke with Jerry.
Cheers,
B
Get a scope with zero stop. I don't know those scopes you listed but zero stop, ffp and in mils would be a good choice. Look at an Athlon midas TAC on the low end. If you can afford more then that gives you more options. 30mm tube at minimum. 34 is even better
Reset means if you zero the scope out but it reads (ie) 8.25 moa, you loosen the turret and make it read 0. I think any scope can actually have this done if it's exposed.
Stop is for if you ever dial more then one full rotation, it'll physically hard stop when you return to your 0. This means you can't dial negative. I find it pretty unnecessary IMO
Stop is for if you ever dial more then one full rotation, it'll physically hard stop when you return to your 0. This means you can't dial negative. I find it pretty unnecessary IMO
OP, I'm a bit of an accuracy freak, not as bad as I used to be though.
I got bit with the accuracy bug when a good friend twisted my arm to shoot his 30BR out to 300 yds, then use that rifle in a HBR match. I didn't win any of the rounds I shot that day, but the bug had a lot of venom in its bite.
I did a similar thing to what you're doing. I had Nobby Uno, a very competent smith at the time with a well known reamer, fit a Hart Match barrel with a .3075 verified bore diameter and profiled to HBR qualification specs. That rifle was chambered for the 308Win.
Of course I had to get a set of Wilson dies along with a set of interchangeable neck bushings and a good arbor style press.
The scopes were limited to 6X and when push came to shove, were really all that we needed out to 300yds.
The biggest issues for us at the time was Paralax adjustment and repeatable turret adjustments that we could trust.
You don't mention whether or not you're getting into the ''competitive'' match game or just pleasing yourself or competing against your buds.
I don't know what the accuracy capabilities of your particular Rem 700 are. The rifle just may not be accurate enough to warrant the cost or time of better or more powerful glass.
The 300 yd 10 ring on a HBR target measures 1 1/8 inch, the 100 yd 10 ring is 3/8 inch and the 200 10 ring is 7/8 inch.
There are many volumes written on how to place all of your shots into those circles, so I won't go on about it.
However, when it comes to decent scopes, there are several that are pretty good for the purposes your post proposes.
All of the scope on your list will do the job adequately but they're much more powerful than you need and if you're going to shoot in competitions, especially sanctioned matches, they may not fit within the allowed parameters in the regulations.
Jerry Theo, of Mystic Precision went through a long learning curve and is quite knowledgeable. The Athlon scopes he sells will easily fill your requirements and he can advise you what you will need for competitive purposes.
If you're shooting "F" class then it's a whole different ball game.
From the prices and quality range you've listed, it sounds like your finances are quite limited.
The scopes aren't the only thing you will need to upgrade, the rings and bases need to be of good quality and trued. Then there is the trigger, bedding etc and the list goes on.
If you're shooting against other neophytes in a small club, then you should be OK. If you're planning on shooting sanctioned matches, then you will really have to make some major upgrades all over and that gets very pricey.
There is a shooter on this site that goes by the name of Ganderite. To say that he knows his stuff ??????
He's a good and extremely experienced shooter, whose willing and able to mentor you through the beginning stages of your endeavors. Do a search and communicate with him.
He won't be trying to sell you anything and his advice on such things as you asked is priceless.
I got bit with the accuracy bug when a good friend twisted my arm to shoot his 30BR out to 300 yds, then use that rifle in a HBR match. I didn't win any of the rounds I shot that day, but the bug had a lot of venom in its bite.
I did a similar thing to what you're doing. I had Nobby Uno, a very competent smith at the time with a well known reamer, fit a Hart Match barrel with a .3075 verified bore diameter and profiled to HBR qualification specs. That rifle was chambered for the 308Win.
Of course I had to get a set of Wilson dies along with a set of interchangeable neck bushings and a good arbor style press.
The scopes were limited to 6X and when push came to shove, were really all that we needed out to 300yds.
The biggest issues for us at the time was Paralax adjustment and repeatable turret adjustments that we could trust.
You don't mention whether or not you're getting into the ''competitive'' match game or just pleasing yourself or competing against your buds.
I don't know what the accuracy capabilities of your particular Rem 700 are. The rifle just may not be accurate enough to warrant the cost or time of better or more powerful glass.
The 300 yd 10 ring on a HBR target measures 1 1/8 inch, the 100 yd 10 ring is 3/8 inch and the 200 10 ring is 7/8 inch.
There are many volumes written on how to place all of your shots into those circles, so I won't go on about it.
However, when it comes to decent scopes, there are several that are pretty good for the purposes your post proposes.
All of the scope on your list will do the job adequately but they're much more powerful than you need and if you're going to shoot in competitions, especially sanctioned matches, they may not fit within the allowed parameters in the regulations.
Jerry Theo, of Mystic Precision went through a long learning curve and is quite knowledgeable. The Athlon scopes he sells will easily fill your requirements and he can advise you what you will need for competitive purposes.
If you're shooting "F" class then it's a whole different ball game.
From the prices and quality range you've listed, it sounds like your finances are quite limited.
The scopes aren't the only thing you will need to upgrade, the rings and bases need to be of good quality and trued. Then there is the trigger, bedding etc and the list goes on.
If you're shooting against other neophytes in a small club, then you should be OK. If you're planning on shooting sanctioned matches, then you will really have to make some major upgrades all over and that gets very pricey.
There is a shooter on this site that goes by the name of Ganderite. To say that he knows his stuff ??????
He's a good and extremely experienced shooter, whose willing and able to mentor you through the beginning stages of your endeavors. Do a search and communicate with him.
He won't be trying to sell you anything and his advice on such things as you asked is priceless.
I’m gonna look into the Athlon scopes . No competition or anything serious for me just a range toy. Currently my R700 has a triggertech trigger and H&S precision stock . Shoots about 1/2 Moa . I know good rings are important and that’s factored into my budget. Sounds like I’m better off with a higher quality 4-16 then a 6-24/5-25 ?
The Bushnell is alright as near as I can tell. The Sig isn't bad but I've never been excited to use any Sig optic I've ever owned. The Primary Arms stuff has gotten a lot better since my introduction to them and the ACSS reticle is really sweet. I have experience with the Vortex and I'm honestly really impressed with it. The glass is quality is superb. The turrets click nicely and track wonderfully. The light gathering is pretty nice too. Mine is in MOA but I'd totally buy another one in MRAD. My Diamondback is currently on my .338 Lapua RPR but I'm switching it for a Viper PST next week when I get home but I have no idea what I'm going to do with it afterwards. The only thing that I would like to see on the Diamondback is an illuminated reticle but I can understand why they didn't at that price point.
The Athlon scopes are great value. I have two of their 2-12 scopes and they are extremely versatile for a hybrid gun. Would not hesitate to look at them for a precision option.
I had a Primary Arms and wasn't a huge fan, but that was one of their LPVOs. The comparable Vortex scope (albeit $100 more) was much nicer.
I had a Primary Arms and wasn't a huge fan, but that was one of their LPVOs. The comparable Vortex scope (albeit $100 more) was much nicer.
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I purchased the Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 4-20 x 50 for the same type of shooting. I also purchased a set of Burris XTR signature rings. So far, I'm very impressed with this setup. Jerry at Mystic Presision was very helpful with my purchase.
