Scope failure on 7 mm PRC

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I had a Riton Primal 4-16 optic go down under the recoil of 7mm, last weekend.
I’ve had it on .223, 6.5 CM and it worked fine.
I know it’s a China made optic, but for $369 it has clear glass ,clearer than the Diamondback HP.The turrets are really nice, really nice tactile clicks.
Illuminated dot as well and a Zero Lock.
A lot of good options.
Anyway CT gave me Brand new in exchange, but now I just don’t trust it.
Maybe on my .223 but still, who knows.I lost faith in it lol, don’t even feel comfortable selling it.

Dilemmas.. haha
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Also I saw a video on YouTube yesterday where the housing for the eyepiece and magnification dial twisted in place on a riton scope. So looks like a few made it out not just one.

Personally I like athlon optics and Bushnell stuff. (I own a nikko stifling but wouldn’t recommend it to anyone tbh and am in the same boat I don’t want to sell it to some poor sucker but don’t want to use it. )

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Is a lot of emphasis on glass quality as you see through it, about "turrets", clicks and "zero stops", but perhaps a scope is really a sight, and NEEDS TO WORK when you need it to. So that is about reticle mounting, bias springs, repeatability, etc. which are not as likely to be assessed by most users when waving one around in a store. I have multiple scopes on hand by various makers from various eras - but one will absolutely "take your breath away" with the view - a German made "Hensoldt" - like from the 1950's or 1960's - they REALLY knew how to make extraordinary quality glass and grind it to make lenses - although likely would cost 1,000 times more to do today, compared to a made-in-China modern one. But I know nothing about how the guts of it are made - has been my experience that more modern ones adjust much smoother, and track better and more reliably - so is possible that the parts that I can not see are made better now-a-days.

By the way - my binoculars and my spotting scope are for glassing - my scopes are for aiming the rifle. It has struck me as borderline absurd to evaluate a sight as if it was a glassing tool, and then to ignore the sighting function and what makes that work.
 
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If my scope can't take the abuse of being dismounted, used as a blunt force object, remounted, and hold the original zero and track with 100% accuracy, it's of no use to me.
 
Unfortunate news to read about your scope failing. I'm not so sure it's because it was made in China. It's likely due to the materials used inside the tube. It might be worth trying it gain on your rifle of choice; or, just mount it on something with less recoil. hope it all goes well for you.
 
I’m heading to NS at the end of the month to do some work so maybe I’ll wait until then.
I can at least look at them in person.
Cabelas, Hirsch maybe a couple of other places there.
My budget is around $1500.
Had it narrowed down to Steiner or Leupold, but may look at Swarovski and Zeiss as well.
 
45C said:
I’m heading to NS at the end of the month to do some work so maybe I’ll wait until then.
I can at least look at them in person.
Cabelas, Hirsch maybe a couple of other places there.
My budget is around $1500.
Had it narrowed down to Steiner or Leupold, but may look at Swarovski and Zeiss as well.
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As much as I like Pete at Hirsch, why in hell would you wait until you got out here to buy a scope? So you can pay 10% more for the same scope you could get in Alberta? If you want to spend $1500 on a scope in that magnification range, buy a Mark 3HD 6-18x for for just under $1200 and still have money for good rings. Or send me the $150 you would have donated to our provincial government for being such a helpful guy.
 
45C said:
I had a Riton Primal 4-16 optic go down under the recoil of 7mm, last weekend.
I’ve had it on .223, 6.5 CM and it worked fine.
I know it’s a China made optic, but for $369 it has clear glass ,clearer than the Diamondback HP.The turrets are really nice, really nice tactile clicks.
Illuminated dot as well and a Zero Lock.
A lot of good options.
Anyway CT gave me Brand new in exchange, but now I just don’t trust it.
Maybe on my .223 but still, who knows.I lost faith in it lol, don’t even feel comfortable selling it.

Dilemmas.. haha
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Had the same thing happen with a Westhunter scope recently, also from China probably came out of the same factory.
 
BigUglyMan said:
As much as I like Pete at Hirsch, why in hell would you wait until you got out here to buy a scope? So you can pay 10% more for the same scope you could get in Alberta? If you want to spend $1500 on a scope in that magnification range, buy a Mark 3HD 6-18x for for just under $1200 and still have money for good rings. Or send me the $150 you would have donated to our provincial government for being such a helpful guy.
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Lol, I’m in NL, it’s 15% here
 
Potashminer said:
Is a lot of emphasis on glass quality as you see through it, about "turrets", clicks and "zero stops", but perhaps a scope is really a sight, and NEEDS TO WORK when you need it to. So that is about reticle mounting, bias springs, repeatability, etc. which are not as likely to be assessed by most users when waving one around in a store. I have multiple scopes on hand by various makers from various eras - but one will absolutely "take your breath away" with the view - a German made "Hensoldt" - like from the 1950's or 1960's - they REALLY knew how to make extraordinary quality glass and grind it to make lenses - although likely would cost 1,000 times more to do today, compared to a made-in-China modern one. But I know nothing about how the guts of it are made - has been my experience that more modern ones adjust much smoother, and track better and more reliably - so is possible that the parts that I can not see are made better now-a-days.

By the way - my binoculars and my spotting scope are for glassing - my scopes are for aiming the rifle. It has struck me as borderline absurd to evaluate a sight as if it was a glassing tool, and then to ignore the sighting function and what makes that work.
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Have one of those on an early 60's German made Mk V. It really is good glass. - dan
 
45C said:
At what distance at close range do 6 power become a hindrance?
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It probably depends on how much practice the shooter has with it, and the circumstances of the shot? I have fixed Leupold M8-6x36 on a Parker Hale 308 Win, a Parker Hale 308 Norma Mag and the Winchester Model 70 338 Win Mag that I got my last two elk with. I have Leupold rimfire fixed 4 power, 2-7x28 and 3-9x33 (?) on various .22 Long Rifle and 22 Magnum. At probably other extreme I have a Leupold 2 1/2x Ultralight for the 458 Win Mag, and there is a Leupold M8-3X on the 9.3x62. Learn to shoot with both eyes open up to about 6 power, and the magnification is about no hindrance. Many, but not all, of the longer range and target rifles have fixed 10, 12 and 16 power scopes - I never tried to shoot those with both eyes open. The 22-250 has a Leupold MK-AR 6-18x40.
 
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45C said:
At what distance at close range do 6 power become a hindrance?
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If this is a hunting rig it kind of depends on whether you're walking or sitting, etc. I don't think I'd put something that starts at 6x on a hunting rifle for any sort of east coast hunting. Range toy sure. You'll lose some low light performance at 6x too. Whenever my 7PRC is ready I'm putting a Leupold VX5HD 3-15 on it. That's a nice range that'll cover about any hunting situation.
 
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