Scope Selection from 20x to 25x

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I've boiled down to a few options and would like as much input as possible. Out of my selection there are only two with mildot which is something I like for ranging. The other options have different methods of ranging which I don't know how to use yet, but still don't think they would be as good as the mildot standard, but I'm all ears.
-Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical 6-24x50mm 30mm tube Mil-Dot
-Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40mm 1" tube Mil-Dot
-Leupold VX-III 8.5-25x50mm Varmint Hunter reticle
-Leupold VX-III 6.5-20x50mm Varmint Hunter reticle
-Leupold VX-III 6.5-20x40mm Varmint Hunter reticle
-Burris Black Diamond 6-24x50mm Ballistic Mil-Dot
They all have side parallax adjustment.

My set-up would be used for crawling on all fours through rough terrain.
 
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Inukshuk,
Not sure what the ultimate use will be.
I had originally considered the Burris BD - excellent scope but ended up choosing the IOR same variable range with 35mm tube. Preferred their reticle over the Burris.
Both models have excellent glass/coatings.
Unfortunately, at the end of the day only you will know what you prefer and that is all that counts.
 
92FS Inox said:
Inukshuk,
Not sure what the ultimate use will be.
I had originally considered the Burris BD - excellent scope but ended up choosing the IOR same variable range with 35mm tube. Preferred their reticle over the Burris.
Both models have excellent glass/coatings.
Unfortunately, at the end of the day only you will know what you prefer and that is all that counts.
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Ya I know, just wish I could check them out, but that's not possible. If I had the $$$$ I would go for the IOR 6-24x50 Tactical. I already have the 3-18 and love it, BUT$$$
My use would be for small game hunting like Fox and smaller with a .223.
 
My use would be for small game hunting like Fox and smaller with a .223.
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Why even bother with mildots then? The intended targets are way too small to make mildot ranging practical if not almost impossible to do.

Plus, at the typical ranges at which these critters will be shot at, will it be necessary to even bother ranging them?

My set-up would be used for crawling on all fours through rough terrain.
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You need a high magnification scope while crawling on all fours through rough terrain looking for fox and smaller animals? Huh? The mental picture I'm getting here is of cramped quarters with little need for a high magnification scope. Maybe you could elaborate?

If you're set on these scopes, I'd pick the Leupold VX-III 6.5-20x40mm Varmint Hunter reticle only because it's a smaller package than the 50mm objective and it has a more usable lower range setting of 6.5x than 8.5x.

The new 4200 Tactical hasn't even come out yet (as you know) here in Canada. Otherwise the larger target turrets would be more user friendly while using gloved hands.
 
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Wording is everything. Crawling would be because of geese when they are on the ground. They see and hear you coming 700-1000yrds away easy, so we have to be really stealthy with them. I was thinking about the same thing as you regarding scope size with a 40mm objective. That's still out there though.
If I would go that rout then it narrows things down to:
-Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40mm 1" tube Mil-Dot
-Leupold VX-III 6.5-20x40mm Varmint Hunter reticle
 
I would think long and hard before getting the varmint reticle. It is a fixed system that only approximates windage and elevation hold-offs, and is less than accurate for windage, and only somewhat more accomodating for elevation. My experience with this reticle is that I needed to fine tune the system by finding the correct magnification on the scope that best fit the reticle to my loads, and even still it never fit my ballisitics as advertised. I am far from convinced - I had mine swapped to the TMR reticle.

IMO, A mil dot type reticle has much more flexibility and provide good references for windage and elevation hold offs, and it is adaptable to a wider selection of cartridges and ballistics, should you ever want to put it on any rifle/cartridge combination.
 
If you have the $$$$$ get the S&B 5 - 25 X 56mm PM-II with the P4 or P4 fine reticle.

By far the best glass I have owned or shot with.

If budget is a concern, look at one of the Leupold Mark IV series of high magnifaction scopes.They can be had with a Mildot reticle.

SKBY.
 
I use the Elite 4200 SF and would recommend it for any hunting situation. The same physical size as their 2.5X10 hunting scope and only a couple of ounces heavier.

You don't want a 2lbs big honking scope draggin and hitting everything as you do your sneak. Would really make your rifle top heavy too. Would also have to sit very high for a hunting comb height.

The Elite has excellent low light to accomodate first light hunting. The turrents are low profile and work. Target knobs are great on the range but a royal pain when they get stuck in brush. Optics are awesome.

Jerry
 
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I have the 6.5-20x50 mm vx-III with the varmint hunter reticle.The reticle works as advertised,you even get a little cd with the scope to show you how to use it but it is quite simple.Crosshairs are fine enough for small targets and it does have a very nice side focus adjustment,and it works fast.
 
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I use the Elite 4200 SF and would recommend it for any hunting situation. The same physical size as their 2.5X10 hunting scope and only a couple of ounces heavier.

You don't want a 2lbs big honking scope draggin and hitting everything as you do your sneak. Would really make your rifle top heavy too. Would also have to sit very high for a hunting comb height.

The Elite has excellent low light to accomodate first light hunting. The turrents are low profile and work. Target knobs are great on the range but a royal pain when they get stuck in brush. Optics are awesome.

Jerry
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Jerry

Is your Elite 4200 SF the 40mm obj.? If so do you have a standard base or a 20-30 MOA base and do you dyle in the distances with your turret and to what max range?
 
Yes, I have the 1" tube 40mm scope. Presently mounted on a 223 with standard bases and Burris rings. If you use the burris rings, you likely don't need a shimmed base for way out there.

I dial up for all ranges and use the mil dots too for very far distances. The longest I have shot the 223 was 1000m. Was shimmed so that the first mil dot up (12X) or second dot (24X) was dead on at 100yds.

Jerry
 
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Yes, I have the 1" tube 40mm scope. Presently mounted on a 223 with standard bases and Burris rings. If you use the burris rings, you likely don't need a shimmed base for way out there.

I dial up for all ranges and use the mil dots too for very far distances. The longest I have shot the 223 was 1000m. Was shimmed so that the first mil dot up (12X) or second dot (24X) was dead on at 100yds.

Jerry
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Okay. So what was the farthest you were able to shoot by dialing up on the standard base? and not holding over with the mil-dots.
 
Alot will depend on the bullet and velocity you use. I shoot the 75gr Amax at 2875fps from my 22" Stevens and with 30min of elevation can reach 800yds give or take. The scope would be shimmed so that it is at full down aiming center of the reticle at 100yds.

Use the JBM ballistic software off the internet to give you some idea of drops and elevation needed.

Jerry
 
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