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The reason I don't clean primer pockets besides being lazy, is I found it really doesn't make any difference. I am trying to fling a bullet a 1000 yards while using a sling and iron sights without a rest.
Once you have trimmed and chamfered the cases you shouldn't need to do it again until the cases start to get too long and you need to trim again. No need to do it every time unless you can see a burr on the case.
Once you have trimmed and chamfered the cases you shouldn't need to do it again until the cases start to get too long and you need to trim again. No need to do it every time unless you can see a burr on the case.
good to know thanks its gonna save me a good deal of time.
i learned somehting today, i was checking the runout on my fresh loads and noticed that most of the federal brass came out good, even the cheap privi stuff was coming out good, but almost every remington piece of brass i loaded was wobbly. this is from remington coreloc ammo. i did however learn that keeping my thumb on the bullet so its tight in the case holder while feeding it into the die would load them a lot flatter and it nearl eliminated all of my runout issues. i had loaded 25 and had about 10 that i called close range/barrel fowlers because of run out. after i started to keep my thumb on it i loaded another 15 or so and only had 1. also i was a bit more anal with my powder measure this time. made sure each load was 54.5 grains. its as accurate as my hornady scale goes, in the future i may invest in a better one but for now its fine. id remove grains by hand and add some if needed till the desired weight showed up on the scale and stayed there for several seconds without changing. hopefully this batch shoots even better than the last
thanks for the advice brybenn. ill stretch mine out all the way next time out and see what it does for me.
im almost out of loading supplies so i need to go and get some more. damn this hobby is becoming addictive. especially when you do the math and each round works out to be about 77 cents with tax, vs 1.24 for cheap federal box stuff and 3.39 for the good federal stuff.
i learned somehting today, i was checking the runout on my fresh loads and noticed that most of the federal brass came out good, even the cheap privi stuff was coming out good, but almost every remington piece of brass i loaded was wobbly. this is from remington coreloc ammo. i did however learn that keeping my thumb on the bullet so its tight in the case holder while feeding it into the die would load them a lot flatter and it nearl eliminated all of my runout issues. i had loaded 25 and had about 10 that i called close range/barrel fowlers because of run out. after i started to keep my thumb on it i loaded another 15 or so and only had 1. also i was a bit more anal with my powder measure this time. made sure each load was 54.5 grains. its as accurate as my hornady scale goes, in the future i may invest in a better one but for now its fine. id remove grains by hand and add some if needed till the desired weight showed up on the scale and stayed there for several seconds without changing. hopefully this batch shoots even better than the last
thanks for the advice brybenn. ill stretch mine out all the way next time out and see what it does for me.
im almost out of loading supplies so i need to go and get some more. damn this hobby is becoming addictive. especially when you do the math and each round works out to be about 77 cents with tax, vs 1.24 for cheap federal box stuff and 3.39 for the good federal stuff.
i loaded another 40 rounds today and had 4 that were showing runout, but those looked like the actual plastic tip had a slight bend in and the bullet itself looked to be visually straight, so just a bent plastic tip which was likely like that in the box. so far so good. each load contained the exact same amount of powder.
My main target rifle is an HHE Millennium action, CG Millennium 2 stage trigger set at 3.5 lbs. In a Reiben laminated stock w/adjustable cheek piece sitting on a Flexi-bed bedding block. Right now it is wearing a 30" SS Krieger barrel chambered in .308 with an Obermeyer match reamer. Rear sight is made by Brindles and the front sight is a Right Sight.
On a good day I can hold less than 1 MOA elevation out to 1000 yards. I don't mind losing a point to the wind if I get caught during a change, but I hate losing a point to elevation. The Target Rifle bull is about 2 MOA with 1 MOA V Bull.
damn thats impressive for iron sights. hats off to you. lets hope i never piss you off and try to run away from you, lol. build sounds nice too, any pics of it?
i need to get some i know, i thought about using my wifes eye brow tweezers but figured she may frown on that if i got caught.
i find mine does the same as yours, if i have to play too much with adding or removing ill take the little dish off the scale a couple times and put it back and let it sit there just to make sure im getting the same reading each time. seems if i let it sit for a short while itll settle a bit.
am i safe using basic metal tweezers? if i squeeze too hard and break a grain is there a chance of it going off?
I bump the scale beam slightly and let it zero on the way up.
No, the powder won't light.
Failed to mention, no smoking............
There has been talk of flourescent lights being a concern.
Not sure how this fits, maybe static affecting the scale?
I have my scale sitting on a 3/4" piece of melamine clamped to my
work bench.
I guess a metal bench top could have adverse affects on how the scale
magnet would be accurate?
Just a thought.
No, the powder won't light.
Failed to mention, no smoking............
There has been talk of flourescent lights being a concern.
Not sure how this fits, maybe static affecting the scale?
I have my scale sitting on a 3/4" piece of melamine clamped to my
work bench.
I guess a metal bench top could have adverse affects on how the scale
magnet would be accurate?
Just a thought.
I bump the scale beam slightly and let it zero on the way up.
No, the powder won't light.
Failed to mention, no smoking............
There has been talk of flourescent lights being a concern.
Not sure how this fits, maybe static affecting the scale?
I have my scale sitting on a 3/4" piece of melamine clamped to my
work bench.
I guess a metal bench top could have adverse affects on how the scale
magnet would be accurate?
Just a thought.
I've posted to the flourescent lights vs. electronic scales issue. Drove me crazy to suss out why my pressures were all over the map. A new 6.5/06 barrel got burn't to a fare thee well during this missadventure.
Turns out the Dillon DeTerminator pukes whenever a ballast is nearby.
These day's, it's Ohaus 10/10 balance beam scale ..... and all is good
The lights have no effect on either of my balance beams.
It does pay to keep those knife edge pivots scrupulously clean.
And consistent eye position on the pointer too.
My bench top is stainless steel .... love it.
i used the balance beam scale once and put it away, us young guys have this attention deficit disord.....holy #### a leaf.
ive got the old screw in bulbs in the little corner of the laundry room ive convinced my wife needed to become a reloading corner. lol.
ive got the old screw in bulbs in the little corner of the laundry room ive convinced my wife needed to become a reloading corner. lol.
Are we having fun yet??
Your wife is not only seriously smoke'n, she's also got that recoil tolerance thing going on too!(watched the vid's). Were she my lady, I'd be doing some right up close and personal coaching ... on cheek weld'n, ... 'n butt to shoulder pocket 'intimate contact'.
I digress.
The both of those scales have their purpose, one to confirm the other. You seem a carefull man,... take it from an old hand, 'tis better to be twice sure, than once uncertain, .... and when you start into exploring that future super accurate but somewhat higher (safe) pressure node, (sooner or later most serious handloaders will go there for a look-a-see) absolute certainty becomes the price of admission.
The loading time used ceases to be a factor, 'cause by that point you'll be tackdriving and each/every round will count for score.
My best rifles rarely fire more than thirty rounds or so over the entire weekend in the bush clanging steel.
Once the testing is done, the rifle consistently accurate with no 'fliers', it becomes all about you the shooter, and the diabolical wind.
Are we having fun yet??
Your wife is not only seriously smoke'n, she's also got that recoil tolerance thing going on too!(watched the vid's). Were she my lady, I'd be doing some right up close and personal coaching ... on cheek weld'n, ... 'n butt to shoulder pocket 'intimate contact'.
I digress.
The both of those scales have their purpose, one to confirm the other. You seem a carefull man,... take it from an old hand, 'tis better to be twice sure, than once uncertain, .... and when you start into exploring that future super accurate but somewhat higher (safe) pressure node, (sooner or later most serious handloaders will go there for a look-a-see) absolute certainty becomes the price of admission.
The loading time used ceases to be a factor, 'cause by that point you'll be tackdriving and each/every round will count for score.
My best rifles rarely fire more than thirty rounds or so over the entire weekend in the bush clanging steel.
Once the testing is done, the rifle consistently accurate with no 'fliers', it becomes all about you the shooter, and the diabolical wind.
haha thanks, shes a looker, i got lucky alright, she makes all the money too, no idea how i fit into this situation, must be my charming personality, lol. she gets better each time we go shooting and is really enjoying it as well. as for getting up close and personal at the range, she has a loaded gun and is after all still a woman, dont wanna mess with her especially when all i have to fight her off is my cell phone, lol.
maybe ill break out the balance beam scale for my next batch to double check. i was fairly thorough on this batch with the digital scale but as you know a breathe or drop of sweat will through it off. but i was careful to put the empty dish on it between every load of powder to make sure it was still showing zero. cant go to the range and start having my gun explode then guys like you start coming around to comfort my wife. lol.
ill eventually start playing with more powder, right now im at the max the book calls for, 54.5 gr's, so ill see how this batch shoots when i get back out but if the previous one was good, this one being made with tighter tolerances should be much better.
also back to the wife, i tossed a dummy 9mm round in one of the mags and made her clear it, didnt tell her about it. she did alright, racked the gun and went back to laying a beating to the zombie splatter targets i had set up
Already at published max on your first time out? Do you know how to tell if you've got excessive pressure? Published max means the max achieved in the tested rifle, and not necessarily in your rifle.
FWIW - Rifles generally dont shoot their best at published max loads, or beyond. If you want to get the most out of your rifle, you should start playing around with different bullets, particularly weights, then powders. I encourage you to expand your knowledge base in this area.
FWIW - Rifles generally dont shoot their best at published max loads, or beyond. If you want to get the most out of your rifle, you should start playing around with different bullets, particularly weights, then powders. I encourage you to expand your knowledge base in this area.
Ill gladly try different combinations. I tried all the recommended loads. It shot well at the min opened up in the in between loads and shot the tightest group at the suggested Max. I'm open to suggestions. Right now I'm shooting 178gr amax bullets with I believe imr 4035 powder.
I checked the brass for any signs of buldging after shooting it. Checked the neck aswell and everything looked clean and straight. Ill double check my book for checking this batch. Give them a good cleaning to expose anything that might be there and check from there
I checked the brass for any signs of buldging after shooting it. Checked the neck aswell and everything looked clean and straight. Ill double check my book for checking this batch. Give them a good cleaning to expose anything that might be there and check from there
just to be safe ill bring my mic with me to the range and check the case before and after its been shot to see if theres been any expansion due to excessive pressures.
but if you guys can suggest any other powders or bullets to use that would work better ill gladly try them
but if you guys can suggest any other powders or bullets to use that would work better ill gladly try them
shot my new batch today, they werent nearly as tight as the last ones. about 1 moa at 100, and what looked like almost 1.5moa at 200. i was quite disapointed with this load, 54.5 gr of powder where before it was 53.9 and shooting just over 1/2 moa at 100. does that make any sense? some would land dead on where i had the scope, some would land beside it. shooting off a bi pod and since i forgot my rear bag i just used a plastic ammo box to suport the back of the gun. gonna try loading some more 53.9 and work around there, 54, 53.8, etc. see if i can find a set up that works better.
used my vernier to check the cases. checked some old ones i had that were once fired and they measure the same with my vernier at several points as the ones i just shot today with the max powder load.
used my vernier to check the cases. checked some old ones i had that were once fired and they measure the same with my vernier at several points as the ones i just shot today with the max powder load.
