Secondary optics (red dot or holosight)?

Can you post or link the pics ?

Honestly a lot of the "tactical" optics come down pretty well.. 6x24, 5x15, 4x12, 2.5x16, 4.5x14, 3x12,3x14,3x27, 5x25, 4.5x27, 6.5x20 just to name a few variable powers.

I use 6x to shoot tree rats 50 yards and under... Usually under... 25 yard avrg...

Id say if you are looking for a red dot on your precision rifle, you don't need a precision rifle.

It takes 2 seconds to dial that nice scope back if you have some closer engagements... Do you REALLY need to put a canted red dot on, or mount a red dot on top of your scope? Seems like extra weight, and just something else to get in the way/brake to me...

Maybe some canted irons might work, but really? Seems like a DMR tacticool thing to me.
 
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It's been discussed on here before but generally a red dot on a precision rig is used by some guys to transition from target to target without zooming out. The concept being that you zero it so the dot and your scope reticle are aligned at say 600 so you can scan to the next target with the red dot then transition to your main optic and you should be on target. I'm not sure how much better that would realistically work than just zooming down (especially with a throw lever) as you'd have to break your cheek weld to go to the red dot but I've never actually tried that kinda setup so who knows. There's an article on that at accuracytech.com.

I imagine that a secondary red dot could also be used in real world scenarios as a close in optic but I don't think that would apply to most people here...
 
I think the whole idea behind the ones that I saw anyway, was that if your scope was zeroed at let's say, 500 yrds (40+ moa base, high zoom scope), that the secondary optic could be used for those much closer shots, like 50-100 yrds. I realize that the application would be useless for most people on here unless the zombie apocalypse actually happened.
 
photog_shooter said:
I think the whole idea behind the ones that I saw anyway, was that if your scope was zeroed at let's say, 500 yrds (40+ moa base, high zoom scope), that the secondary optic could be used for those much closer shots, like 50-100 yrds. I realize that the application would be useless for most people on here unless the zombie apocalypse actually happened.
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Even still, a 50-100 yard shot at 12 power is not exactly a hindrance.

I would argue that instead of spending the cash on a secondary optic. You open your other eye and learn how to scan and aim with both eyes open. Then when you get roughly on target, you can go back to one eye if that's what you prefer.

When you have both eyes open but one eye still behind the scope you get a nice full field of view with a reticle floating in the air. You feel like a cyborg.... It is a great way to track tree rats running while still having the gun up and ready for when the shot presents its self. I also use it for transitioning targets.

If you go from 700 down to 50... Slam that turret back down (Hopefully you have a 0 stop) and open both eyes, get on target. Close weak eye, take the shot.
 
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Even still, a 50-100 yard shot at 12 power is not exactly a hindrance.

I would argue that instead of spending the cash on a secondary optic. You open your other eye and learn how to scan and aim with both eyes open. Then when you get roughly on target, you can go back to one eye if that's what you prefer.

When you have both eyes open but one eye still behind the scope you get a nice full field of view with a reticle floating in the air. You feel like a cyborg.... It is a great way to track tree rats running while still having the gun up and ready for when the shot presents its self. I also use it for transitioning targets.

If you go from 700 down to 50... Slam that turret back down (Hopefully you have a 0 stop) and open both eyes, get on target. Close weak eye, take the shot.
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Yeah, shooting with both eyes open is pretty critical if you're trying to transition to different targets.
 
Don't let me fool anyone. I think it is super cool looking when you have canted Iron sights/red dots or red dots mounted on your scope. Useful in 3 guns and makes for a great picture!
Its just the frugal and utilitarian me just screams when I see those. Only because inner me goes "Oh COOL! I want that!" So, the other two put him in check.
I learned early on, the less things to break on a gun. Less things will break. Invest in quality not quantity parts.
Learn to use what you have very well, you will outshoot the guy with the new kit.
I find that most shooters who have this set up, of canted irons or red dot. Are either trying to build a "DMR " style AR or a 3 gun rifle. The guys using it for 3 gun, well that 2 seconds they saved may actually help them win.
2 way range scenario... Well, I doubt it has played out much enough for anyone for them to speak to it.

To speak more directly to your scenario of the 40 moa base. If you are doing that to your rifle, I think it is safe to say that is a dedicated extreme long range rifle. To attempt to bring it in for close shots means you either spent to much and now cant afford another gun. (mute point kinda, Savage axis is less the some red dots). That you have to much money and not enough ideas. Hey, its you rifle. Do what you want with it! I'm just arguing it for the sake of stirring up conversation and interest in the topic.

Anyways, I don't personally have any pics. If anyone does, lets see it! I Will be surprised if its a bolt action gun! lol
 
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Well you're right in that I did build this as a dedicated extreme long range rifle. I have others that I can use for closer ranges. My issue is that at around the 17 lb mark unloaded, carrying this gun and kit (I live in Nunavut so it all goes in a pack, on my back while riding a snowmobile/ATV) makes for a heavy load. As such, I don't really feel like lugging other guns with me at the same time. I guess for me, it's not so much of that cool factor, but for the practicality aspect of being able to shoot closer while out with the big gun.
 
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Kane519 said:
I've always thought if I were predator hunting I'd want to have less than x5 handy in case things went sideways.
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How big of preds are you seeing in London Ontario lol. Jk Jk

20 yards and under (we will call that sideways) you can still slam rounds home without sights even.
(look at that lion video charging the hunter, puts it down with a shot to the dome from his hip)




That also brings us to the variable magnification scopes... A lot do dial down pretty well.
 
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Canadiankeeper said:
How big of preds are you seeing in London Ontario lol. Jk Jk

20 yards and under (we will call that sideways) you can still slam rounds home without sights even.

That also brings us to the variable magnification scopes... A lot do dial down pretty well.
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The RDS is for *quick* acquisition moving from target to target if you have your scope at say 25x.

Some PRS stages won't allow you to touch your scope so that's another major benefit of running a RDS.
 
mebiuspower said:
The RDS is for *quick* acquisition moving from target to target if you have your scope at say 25x.

Some PRS stages won't allow you to touch your scope so that's another major benefit of running a RDS.
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It's way more precise to use your scope and use your reticle subtensions to hold over on those "no dial" stages, then it is to use an optic with a 3-6 moa dot and no magnification to shoot a 1-2 moa target at 400-700 yards.

You are correct that the best use is for transitioning and finding targets on the clock, if you struggle with finding them under magnification. Some courses of fire will have targets incredibly difficult to find at even 5 power (2016 SHC for example). And no, you do not need to break your cheek-wield if you mount the red dot sight correctly. The red dot sight can also be used as a barricade stop in certain situations/certain barricades.
 
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