Seeking hunting property in Southern Ontario

Beadwindow

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Hi Fellows,

I just thougth I'd write to ask if any of you could give me some advice on the following plans to purchase some land.....If any of you could give me pointers on prices, where to look, places to avoid etc, that would be greatly appreciated.

During the last few months I've been contemplating the possibility of purchasing a plot of land for the purposes of fishing/hunting and occasional target shooting. By the latter, I mean some plinking with a .22, occasionally sighting in one or two centrefires, and maybe a few afternoons before the season with a couple of friends and the clay pigeon thrower). Gamewise, I'm thinking of looking for a place with turkeys, deer, grouse, woodcock, rabbits and/or waterfowl. I'd probably do a bit of predator hunting, and have the gear for crows, groundhogs and other varmints as well. A centrefire season for deer would be preferable, but not necessary. If I can throw in fishing (trout preferable, but warmwater will do), that would be an added bonus. In an ideal world, if I could find an area that could hold pheasants, including birds that I'd raise and stock, that too would be desirable, though I suspect that the cost of arable farmland would negate that possibility.

Whatever the habitat, I'd love to be able to perform improvements on the property (i.e. nest boxes for waterfowl, selective cutting to create edge habitat & places for woodcock, food plots, ponds for fish and birds, stream improvements for trout if there's a coldwater stream, etc). Perhaps a property that's about half swamp/wetlands might cost less but provide more opportunities for waterfowl. I understand that some provincially designated wetlands might cost less on the grounds that the property cannot be developed. Similarly an abandoned quarry with ponds might hold potential for an interesting rehab project.

Sizewise, I'm thinking of somewhere from 25-100 acres, within 1.5-4 hours max distance from Toronto, and if I can find land adjacent to Crown land, so much the better. So far the two areas that I've been interested are in the area north of Orillia (south side of Sparrow Lake and the Severn River) up into the Southern reaches of WMU 46, as there's still lots of Crown land in the area, centrefire seasons for deer, and a mixture of wildlife. We also have a cottage lot in the area (no cottage any more though), so I might be able to build a place up there in the future as well. The other area of interest would be further east, essentially the area stretching north of Bancroft up to Barry's Bay, which is beyond the main Toronto cottage crowd but still some distance from Ottawa. As you can imagine, getting away from an area inhabited by the urbanites who don't understand country living, hunting, etc, plays into my interest in the latter option, since I don't want to find myself surrounded by a bunch of upper-middle-class retired boomers from Toronto.

Expanding on the matter of size, I'm open to anything from a well situated parcel of 25 acres (if it's adjacent to Crown Land, or has habitat that draws waterfowl, etc) to about 100 acres (I'd like more, but don't expect to find it for a reasonable price). 100 acres would allow one to get a shooting reserve license to release and shoot pheasants, but unless I could find that for a low price in a suitable area, it's probably just wishful thinking. With the current downturn in the ecomony, I just want to see if I can take advantage of the situation to get something at a reasonable price before the next real-estate boom. I figure that building a cottage on our family lot will cost about the same whatever the economic situation, whereas the price of land may vary considerably in the future.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Frank
 
To get everything you listed is likely impossible unless you have several hundred thousand.

Look for an old farm with 100 acres that still has a lot of bush on it. On average would likely start at 300 K.
 
I can get you on an awesome property (300acres) with a private lake and camp, if you have access to $400G. I also know of another 250 acre parcel with waterfront for ~$230G.:)
 
I was thinking of a property lot without any buildings on it. And when I speak of fishing, I'm thinking of smaller creeks and ponds, not something with lake frontage, though a lake nearby might be nice. And I'm thinking more in terms of some beaver ponds and cedar swamp for waterfowl.

While I'd have loved some farmland for a pheasant hunting preserve, I realize that a chunk of forest bordering Crown Land is more likely (maybe a25-50 acre lot near some Crown land at Sparrow Lake?) Otherwise, I was looking at Bancroft northwards because I thought that the land around Peterborough would be too pricey for me.

Thanks for the suggestions and advice.

Frank
 
A guy that I used to hunt with had a few hundred acres (with a nice little camp) in the Bracebridge area. Great place to hunt moose, deer and partridge. He got scared one year because the municipality extended the area that was defined as 'in town' and made it no firearms discharge. Because of his location, he figured that his land had the potential to become 'archery only' and would be worth less if that ever happened. He abruptly sold it (I've never forgiven the prick for not telling us) Something to think about.
 
PROPERTY 4289-ON
Part 1, Plan 42R-11764, Part Lot 34, Concession 1, Township of Humphrey, District of Parry Sound, Ontario, 28.04 acres or 11.34 hectares. Fully surveyed, this good sized acreage lies just north of the Muskoka border, offering approximately eight hundred feet of water frontage on the south side of Kaye Lake - a small waterway a half mile in length. This parcel also has some additional lake frontage on the northeast side. Triangular in shape, the northern boundary measures eight hundred and fifty feet with the southeastern and west sides averaging two thousand, three hundred and thirty-nine feet. Its southeastern side borders a Canadian Pacific rail line. Fully treed, cover consists of large mature maple, oak, birch and white pine. Terrain rises from the shoreline toward the south with the balance being level and dry. Lots of wildlife, including deer, rabbits, partridge and ducks often seen throughout the year. Lake Joseph is only six hundred yards east with lakes Rosseau and Muskoka also nearby. To reach the property, follow Highway 612, two miles north from the town of Mactier to an old Colonization road. Proceed east along this route to the rail line where a short walk along the tracks will lead to the southern tip of the property. Price $24,440.00, payable $3,940.00 cash with order and fifty monthly payments of $410.00 each, and interest; or $21,996.00 (being 10% off) if paid $3,997.00 cash with order and $17,999.00 within thirty days thereafter.

Hi Frank,

Not really what you are looking for but could be a good start. Try Dignam ( http://www.dignam.com/ ) and see what they have. Another idea would be to contact a local real estate agent.
 
I have missed out on my share of "deals" in the past. One was west of Bancroft, 300acres with a cabin/ponds, next to several thousand acres of Crown for $59G. Would have liked to have that one. Another was 70 acres next to Crown for $8000 :eek: There are deals out there if you are patient and check the realtors in the area you are looking...Try a want ad in the local paper...

As a general rule, the further North you go, the cheaper it gets...
 
The only way you are going to find all of those animals/fish on 25 acres is if you buy a game farm. :redface: :)

Yes, 25 acres is not alot. But if it were to provide access to Crown land with no road access, it could give me access to most of what I'm looking for.

And while 25 acres might not provide more than one or two grouse or rabbits a season, one or two nice beaver ponds could fit on it.

For Deer, it might work to draw them in with a good feed lot if it's next to good terrain. And I've come across turkeys within two minutes walk from a road before....

Perhaps 50 acres providing access to Crown Land would more likely do the trick if I can find it.

Cheers,

Frank
 
Thanks guys,

This is getting more interesting all the time.....If nothing else it's a good incentive to manage my money carefully and keep my eyes open!

Cheers,

Frank
 
I have been looking for a piece of land for hunt camp for a while myself (minus any structure on it). My area of interest is North of Orilla to Sudbury and around Bancroft.

I will have to disagree with the folks who are saying you will need $300-$400 G's to get it. If you forfeit a cabin and consider 3-4 hours drive north of Toronto, 100 and 150 acres of wooded land with pond/creek could be have for around $100-120 G's. timing with wildlife and large enough to have its own deer and bear population. look into MLS.

My problem is that I can't drive everyday to look at properties and have to relay on real state agents who don't care about these small deals.

Here is an Idea; let's ask admin to add an "Exchange of Hunt Property" Section to this website!
 
Certainly the outer limit of the distance you say you're willing to drive can get you away from some of the high prices some are quoting, and also because you're not looking for arable land, or even land thats prime for grazing.

My 2 cents though is that not all crown land is equal. Access to a strip of crown land with road access isn't half as nice once deer season rolls around and it fills up with gangs of other hunters. If you can get your plot of land tucked away somewhere, ~20+ mins across crown land by atv or snow machine to get from the road to your plot, then the size doesn't matter much and the surrounding crown will be much better for you.

I guess probably you've thought this sort of thing through anyhow. Just this would be my main concern.

RG

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I'm aware of a property near Bancroft, about 200 acres, c/w well constructed hunt camp. Can be logged to generate revenue. Would likely sell for 190K+/-.. PM if you want more details...
 
Ah yes, a palce in the country to play - every urbanites dream.

Back to nature ... "Thoreau weekends" ... delightful !

Would you consider entering into a Buyer Representation Agreement ?
 
53A is full of nice land for sale with alot of crown land backing

IIRC, 53 A is very close to our lot off of Sparrow Lake. I've hunted a bit around Kashe Lake and would love to have access to some of the tracts of Crown Land that's difficult to reach from the roads there. The Conservation Reserves on the north and south side of Kashe lake holds promise (I've seen rabbits, grouse, ducks and turkeys during my brief forays into the southern tract) and a friend of mine saw deer there as well.

53B is just a bit north of our lot. The main downside is that it's shotgun only for deer, that despite the large tract of Crown Land with lots of hills and valleys that can make for some long shots. This is an example of how too many cottagers from Toronto can interfere with hunting opportunities.

Yes, I'll definitely keep these areas in mind.

Cheers,

Frank
 
Certainly the outer limit of the distance you say you're willing to drive can get you away from some of the high prices some are quoting, and also because you're not looking for arable land, or even land thats prime for grazing.

My 2 cents though is that not all crown land is equal. Access to a strip of crown land with road access isn't half as nice once deer season rolls around and it fills up with gangs of other hunters. If you can get your plot of land tucked away somewhere, ~20+ mins across crown land by atv or snow machine to get from the road to your plot, then the size doesn't matter much and the surrounding crown will be much better for you.

I guess probably you've thought this sort of thing through anyhow. Just this would be my main concern.

RG

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YOur thoughts are similar to mine.....though a plot with road access, giving me access to Crown Land that's hard to access from the road......now that's the ideal that I'd like to find. In that case, it might not matter too much if I cannot afford a huge lot, though I'd like to get the biggest size that my budget would be able to affort.

Cheers,

Frank
 
Ah yes, a palce in the country to play - every urbanites dream.

Back to nature ... "Thoreau weekends" ... delightful !

Would you consider entering into a Buyer Representation Agreement ?

Hi Berrettaboy,

Pardon my ignorance, but could you explain the "Buyer Representation Agreement" to me. I'm still in the early stages of researching my options, but that sounds like a good thing to know about.

Frank
 
Certainly the outer limit of the distance you say you're willing to drive can get you away from some of the high prices some are quoting, and also because you're not looking for arable land, or even land thats prime for grazing.

My 2 cents though is that not all crown land is equal. Access to a strip of crown land with road access isn't half as nice once deer season rolls around and it fills up with gangs of other hunters. If you can get your plot of land tucked away somewhere, ~20+ mins across crown land by atv or snow machine to get from the road to your plot, then the size doesn't matter much and the surrounding crown will be much better for you.

I guess probably you've thought this sort of thing through anyhow. Just this would be my main concern.

RG

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I agree with the suggestion that backing to the Crown Land is a mixed blessing. It could also be a course. Just like you can cross into the C.L. , others can cross into your property and poach (and rest assure, they often do, no matter how many " Private Property" signs you post).

The Idea of being close but not abutting Crown Land is of course the best of the both worlds.
 
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