Segregation of French article to the French section

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Hi,

Yesterday, I posted a news article from "!Le Journal de Montreal", which from my point of view belongs to "CGN News Digest". This thread was later moved in the French section, while I wanted a broader target. The rational of this was that the facts related happened in New-Brunswick, any people understanding French would be free to comment, non-French speaker would be free to find a translation of the article and comment, and everybody lives happy. By moving the thread to the French section, it is implicitly reducing the audience to French-only folks. AFAIK, there is no language policy on CGN. I am taking the risk of creating a precedent by asking the following question:

Should French news article be segregated to the French section ?

note: if it was only my call, there would not be a "French section" at all, as it is specialized not on a gun topic, but a pseudo-societal basis (thus the use of "segregation").

Happy trolling ;-)
 
Makes sense to me, but the question is, do our francophone members want to have a separate section? I suspect they do, and so would I in their place.
 
x0ra said:
Hi,

Yesterday, I posted a news article from "!Le Journal de Montreal", which from my point of view belongs to "CGN News Digest". This thread was later moved in the French section, while I wanted a broader target. The rational of this was that the facts related happened in New-Brunswick, any people understanding French would be free to comment, non-French speaker would be free to find a translation of the article and comment, and everybody lives happy. By moving the thread to the French section, it is implicitly reducing the audience to French-only folks.
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You want a broader target, yet you're not accommodating the broader target. I can say that everyone will not live happy when articles in a language they don't understand are posted on a forum that is (otherwise) english. You'll end up with a thread that is part english, part french, and people who only speak one or the other will be copying and pasting stuff into a translator in order to read the thread. Far from reaching a broader target.

You implicitly reduced the audience to french-speaking folks by posting an article in french!

x0ra said:
Should French news article be segregated to the French section ?

note: if it was only my call, there would not be a "French section" at all, as it is specialized not on a gun topic, but a pseudo-societal basis (thus the use of "segregation").

Happy trolling ;-)
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Yes. It should be ORGANIZED there.

I'm glad it isn't your call, because this forum would be unreadable for english-only people.

You are correct, of course; french isn't a specialized gun topic. It's a language specialized forum relating to guns. Kind of how... oh you know... CGN is a country-specialized forum relating to guns!

As far as trolling goes, I think you are trolling, especially with the use of the word "segregate" to bring connotation of black segregation in america to the subject. Oh noes! Should black rifles really be segregated to the black rifle section??? YES! That's called organization! French has it's section too. ;p
 
nullshine said:
You want a broader target, yet you're not accommodating the broader target.
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You are assuming people are either French or English speaking, putting aside all bilingual folks.

nullshine said:
I'm glad it isn't your call, because this forum would be unreadable for english-only people.
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It's not as if the French section had that much traffic.

nullshine said:
As far as trolling goes, I think you are trolling, especially with the use of the word "segregate" to bring connotation of black segregation in america to the subject.
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segregation ˌsɛgrɪˈgeɪʃ(ə)n/ noun 1. the action or state of setting someone or something apart from others
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I am not sorry to use proper wording, and I am not sorry if the first thing you think about when you hear "segregation" is "racial segregation".
 
nullshine said:
Yes, yes it is. And just like Canada has areas (such as Quebec, and others) that utilize french, so does CGN (such as the Forum d'accueil Francophone).
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I did not want to use that argument before, but saying that all French thread shall be (only) in the French section is just like saying that all French speaking folks in Canada shall live (only) in Quebec.
 
Many french members cant speak, nor understand english, the french section is a big utility tool for them...
Many of us can hold our part on the english side, it is important to translate and bring to other what they should know... And vice-versa, many english members are surely happy to have a story in french translated to them... It's a win win situation... In my book that is... JP.
 
nullshine said:
You want a broader target, yet you're not accommodating the broader target. I can say that everyone will not live happy when articles in a language they don't understand are posted on a forum that is (otherwise) english. You'll end up with a thread that is part english, part french, and people who only speak one or the other will be copying and pasting stuff into a translator in order to read the thread. Far from reaching a broader target.

You implicitly reduced the audience to french-speaking folks by posting an article in french!


Yes. It should be ORGANIZED there.

I'm glad it isn't your call, because this forum would be unreadable for english-only people.

You are correct, of course; french isn't a specialized gun topic. It's a language specialized forum relating to guns. Kind of how... oh you know... CGN is a country-specialized forum relating to guns!

As far as trolling goes, I think you are trolling, especially with the use of the word "segregate" to bring connotation of black segregation in america to the subject. Oh noes! Should black rifles really be segregated to the black rifle section??? YES! That's called organization! French has it's section too. ;p
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+1...seems reasonable, is the OP reasonable or looking for friction? I think if you really want a broader audience, you post in English, Spanish, French, Cantoese and ......
 
caramel said:
Many french members cant speak, nor understand english, the french section is a big utility tool for them...
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I agree. (I may have been too broad in my comment of "not having a french section".).

caramel said:
Many of us can hold our part on the english side, it is important to translate and bring to other what they should know... And vice-versa, many english members are surely happy to have a story in french translated to them... It's a win win situation... In my book that is... JP.
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I agree as well.

I may point out that I forgot to add the translation to the post I did, my bad; though another member did (thanks !).
 
x0ra said:
You are assuming people are either French or English speaking, putting aside all bilingual folks.


It's not as if the French section had that much traffic.

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I am not sorry to use proper wording, and I am not sorry if the first thing you think about when you hear "segregation" is "racial segregation".
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I'm assuming nothing. Where are you getting this from? I'm using words that describe people as english or french speaking because there are 3 basic types: English only, french only, and bilingual. English speaking refers to english only and bilingual, french speaking refers to french only and bilingual. Just because someone is bilingual does not mean they don't speak english. Yes, this is a rough categorization and I realize that there's more to it, ie. bilingual but primarily french, etc.

And why can't bilingual people go to the French section to read the article? It's not out of their reach there. If you want a broader target, make your information readable by a broader target. Example: Translate it yourself.

When you're using the word "segregate" in relation to a cultural/language issue, yes it does bring to mind racial segregation. I'm not sorry that word has that negative connotation when it's been used in such subject matter extensively and now you're using it in a semi-related subject in order to appear hard-done-by and persecuted! I'm not sorry that you can't understand there's more to a language than what's in the dictionary.
 
Man why is everybody trying to make this into something other than ORGANIZATION. That's all it is... It's not segregation when a library has a french section, it's just common sense to put things where they can most easily be found by the people who are looking for them.
 
x0ra said:
I did not want to use that argument before, but saying that all French thread shall be (only) in the French section is just like saying that all French speaking folks in Canada shall live (only) in Quebec.
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And yet here you are using that argument. Quit trying to appear persecuted, you're not.

INFORMATION should be organized in order for it to be useful and convenient!

PEOPLE should be free.

And I would never suggest that people should be segregated based on what language they speak, however, if they choose to naturally congregate and populate in certain areas, guess what? That's their own free choice and they'll make that choice based on their own convenience.

Stop trying to play the "language card". It isn't working for you, and it doesn't look good on you.

Have fun with the rest of your troll thread.
 
NB_GSXR said:
Man why is everybody trying to make this into something other than ORGANIZATION. That's all it is... It's not segregation when a library has a french section, it's just common sense to put things where they can most easily be found by the people who are looking for them.
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Because some people have a victim complex and need to be the squeaky wheel, despite the fact that they have more than adequate amounts of grease. Or they're just straight up trolling.

EDIT: And I just read this thread title again... and I literally lol'd.

"Segregation of French article to the French section"

Uhhh... yeap. That makes sense! The problem is...? What?
 
nullshine said:
And yet here you are using that argument. Quit trying to appear persecuted, you're not.

INFORMATION should be organized in order for it to be useful and convenient!
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I don't know about you, but I like to have many source of information and not keep looking only to the same spot over and over. Information should also be accessible. A bilingual will less likely consult an article if it is only in the French section. To some extend, the forum's way to organize information can be seen as bogus, as it would make sense for a firearm news article in French to appear in both the French section AND the firearm news section.

nullshine said:
PEOPLE should be free.

And I would never suggest that people should be segregated based on what language they speak, however, if they choose to naturally congregate and populate in certain areas, guess what? That's their own free choice and they'll make that choice based on their own convenience.
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But PEOPLE ARE SEGREGATED... by CGN's mods moving the thread to the French section, thus doing the segregation.
 
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