Selling a restrcited Firearm in person

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I have a potential buyer for one of my restricted sales they are local and want to do a cash deal obviously this is preferred for both parties.

I just want to make sure I have the process down from a legal stand point.

We agree on a cash price.
I start the transfer using his details.
Once transfer is complete we travel to "a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise firearms" or a shooting range.
We trade cash for goods.

Is their a point when the transfer is done that i need to call the CFO for a short term transport authorization since the items is no longer mine
 
When I did a local trade for a restricted, the other party obtained a STATT he was able to bring the pistol over so we could inspect each other's firearm in person. If you feel comfortable meeting with the individual, I'd highly recommend a face to face deal. A case of keep it stupid simple.
 
Your ATT, or the buyers ATT are only good for moving a firearm to "a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise firearms" if it is registered in your name (or his). It will never be registered in both, so you one of you isn't authorized to drop it off, or pick it up at a third party location. With C-42 I believe the buyer can pick it up after it is in their name, or you can get a short term ATT to meet at a third party location.
 
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sallen said:
Your ATT, or the buyers ATT are only good for moving a firearm to "a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise firearms" if it is registered in your name (or his). It will never be registered in both, so you one of you isn't authorized to drop it off, or pick it up at a third party location. With C-42 I believe the buyer can pick it up after it is in their name, or you can get a short term ATT to meet at a third party location.
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I just did a cash restricted deal. We met first to exchange the cash. The next morning I initiated transfer and gave the reference number to the buyer via PM. Once the transfer was complete I phoned in an got a STATT to take the rifle to a range close to both of us (as my LTATT no longer covered it). We met up at the range and I handed off the rifle. Done deal. I won't do FTF cash deals where both the firearm and money are present. I did that once when I was a noob and the guys were sketchy as heck (yes, buddy showed up with "friends")...the deal went fine but I promised the wife (and myself) never again.
 
I wouldn't do face to face with cash and firearm either. Just seems there are too many safer options
Brordo said:
I just did a cash restricted deal. We met first to exchange the cash. The next morning I initiated transfer and gave the reference number to the buyer via PM. Once the transfer was complete I phoned in an got a STATT to take the rifle to a range close to both of us (as my LTATT no longer covered it). We met up at the range and I handed off the rifle. Done deal. I won't do FTF cash deals where both the firearm and money are present. I did that once when I was a noob and the guys were sketchy as heck (yes, buddy showed up with "friends")...the deal went fine but I promised the wife (and myself) never again.
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Albguy40 said:
Always get the cash before transfer! The firearm is legally theirs if the transfer is made prior to exchange of cash.
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Done a restricted trade this summer, completed my transfer in 2 days other party provided false transfer number. He kept stalling and wrote a letter to CFC saying he had paid for the pistol, which he hadn't as it was a trade. I tried to cancel the transfer and you need both parties to agree, he did not and after a month sent me a new transfer number that had worked. I went ahead with the deal seeing my only other option was a civil suit!
CGN is a good place to do business and that was the only trouble I've had so be careful when intiating a transfer!!
 
Armafield said:
Done a restricted trade this summer, completed my transfer in 2 days other party provided false transfer number. He kept stalling and wrote a letter to CFC saying he had paid for the pistol, which he hadn't as it was a trade. I tried to cancel the transfer and you need both parties to agree, he did not and after a month sent me a new transfer number that had worked. I went ahead with the deal seeing my only other option was a civil suit!
CGN is a good place to do business and that was the only trouble I've had so be careful when intiating a transfer!!
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Were you the buyer or the seller
 
So, being unfamiliar with restricteds, i have a question. Once the transfer to the buyer is complete, the gun is legally their property and registered solely to them. So, are you then illegally in possession of the firearm until you can give it to them? Seems like a grey area to me. How do you get a statt for a firearm not registered to you anymore?
 
theBuilder said:
So, being unfamiliar with restricteds, i have a question. Once the transfer to the buyer is complete, the gun is legally their property and registered solely to them. So, are you then illegally in possession of the firearm until you can give it to them? Seems like a grey area to me. How do you get a statt for a firearm not registered to you anymore?
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The STATT I got references the new registration number of the firearm (even though it's not in my name) and states that I'm taking the rifle to the range to hand over to the new owner. It also has the address of where I'm taking the rifle from and to (for the po-po to make sure I take a direct route if stopped). As you can lend restricted it doesn't matter if it's in your name or not...they only want to know it's travel plans.
 
Brordo said:
The STATT I got references the new registration number of the firearm (even though it's not in my name) and states that I'm taking the rifle to the range to hand over to the new owner. It also has the address of where I'm taking the rifle from and to (for the po-po to make sure I take a direct route if stopped). As you can lend restricted it doesn't matter if it's in your name or not...they only want to know it's travel plans.
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Aaah, that makes sense then. I have been noodling that one for a while, and was curious how it worked. Thinking of going for my rpal, so it's been on my mind. Thanks
 
BC CFO gave me a better option:

(Assuming your ATT says any firearm which you possess the certificate for, apparently there's some ATTs that have differing language)

1) Seller brings firearm and registration certificate to a legal location (eg gun club/range/etc). Buyer brings something of value to exchange for said firearm.
2) Exchange happens at said legal location.
3) Buyer proceeds home with the firearm and certificate. Seller is in essence "lending" the firearm to the buyer under their currently valid certificate.
4) Seller proceeds home and initiates transfer.
5) Buyer completes transfer. Firearm cannot move again until a new valid registration is sent to the buyer.

This way no additional ATTs or extended wait times are needed and the buyer/seller doesn't have to meet more than once.
These steps need to be followed in the exact order listed as completing the transfer at any other point renders the current certificate null and void.
 
death_hawk said:
BC CFO gave me a better option:

(Assuming your ATT says any firearm which you possess the certificate for, apparently there's some ATTs that have differing language)

1) Seller brings firearm and registration certificate to a legal location (eg gun club/range/etc). Buyer brings something of value to exchange for said firearm.
2) Exchange happens at said legal location.
3) Buyer proceeds home with the firearm and certificate. Seller is in essence "lending" the firearm to the buyer under their currently valid certificate.
4) Seller proceeds home and initiates transfer.
5) Buyer completes transfer. Firearm cannot move again until a new valid registration is sent to the buyer.

This way no additional ATTs or extended wait times are needed and the buyer/seller doesn't have to meet more than once.
These steps need to be followed in the exact order listed as completing the transfer at any other point renders the current certificate null and void.
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You're still bringing the firearm and "something of value" (cash) to the same location at the same time. Who says you have to meet at the gun club/range during normal business hours? Who says buddy doesn't show up with 5 friends and just take the gun from you? I'm not saying it will happen...but you've got variables here that can cause grief. I'm ok with the way I did it.
 
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