Selling trap/skeet ammo at the club

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I just want to make sure we aren't breaking any rules regarding ammo sales. We sell factory 12 ga. shells at the trap/skeet shoots at our club and we ask people buying ammo to show a PAL/POL. Is this OK?
 
redleg said:
Not good enough in ON, you need to record there name and address and ID/PAL info
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Technically sure, but difficult to enforce and way down low on any list of enforcement priorities( I would hope). I'm sure when the ammo is bought by the club that's when the sale is recorded for the sake of the prov.
I'd bet 99% of the ammo sold at trap ranges is converted into spent hulls same day.
 
redleg said:
Not good enough in ON, you need to record there name and address and ID/PAL info
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I have been buying target loads at various clubs in Ont. for years. I can't remember being asked to show my pal or anything else other than cash.
 
Here in the land of the free, no one records anything. Retail outlets ask for a pal. I usually bring my ammo to where I shoot, but for the odd box I buy I have never been asked.
 
If a visitor is a guest at your range and he has a weapon with him, he/she obviously has a PAL for the weapon or a minimum of a POL which still entitles them to purchase ammo.
Avoid making everyone uncomfortable and just sell them the ammo without playing high and mighty.
Our club gives one free box of ammo and one free round of birds to welcome all newcomers to our facility. That is how to make a good first impression on people. Playing ammo cop is like being a mall ninja.:yingyang:
 
taffman said:
If a visitor is a guest at your range and he has a weapon with him, he/she obviously has a PAL for the weapon or a minimum of a POL
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Not that I really care, but just because a guest has a firearm with him/her, it is NOT obvious that he/she has a PAL or minimum of a POL.
 
Anyone got a link/links to where one might actually see what the laws regarding ammo sales REALLY are?

Our Club stopped selling ammo because management got paranoid over issues like storage. Our Clubhouse is always locked up and has a security system in place. Ammo was stored in another locked backroom. This was better than some actual retail outlets I've seen. So I didn't understand it being an issue.

Anyone actually know what the minimum storage requirements are?

Then there was a matter of requiring a vendor's permit to sell. And then there was discussion of taxes...pst & gst.

We bought our ammo and paid retail prices for it and applicable taxes and simply turned it over at those prices...taxes included (plus a tiny mark up for the Club). So taxes were paid on this stuff so the Gov't got it's pound of flesh. So I never really saw our reselling the stuff as being an issue.

What we did not do was ask to see anyone's PAL/POL or log our sales in any sort of book as some retailers do. So we may have been derelict in this regard....if that's what the law requires.

Now having said all that....I would like to see our Club start bringing in small amounts of ammo again to have on hand for visitors....be they casual shooters or at registered shoots.

Does anyone here REALLY know what is and is not permissable? What is...or is not...actually required? Or point me to the laws so I can read them myself? All I've been hearing so far is individual personal opinions and theories around the Club and more often than not, they're contradictory. But I've never actually seen anything on paper.
 
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There is a post in another section concerning selling ammo http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292315&highlight=ammo&page=2

FWIW you need to be very conscious about what you do in ON. The CFO is very pedantic about businesses and ranges doing things that they are not licensed for. Retail sale on a range, fixing guns, etc need to be listed if they are done. Furthermore in ON there is a record keeping requirement on ammo sales. Ignore it at your own peril.
 
We will sell shells to folks that require it if they are attending one of our shoots but we ask that they only purchase what they require for the shoot. We don't want them to "stock up" as doing so (in our case) cheeses off some of our club sponsers that sell ammo in their retail stores.

They understand that as shooters, we look for the best deals and when we buy 100 or so flats at a time, we get a decent price (well used too ...). Any way, we do ask our sponsors if they can meet the price, if not, we buy elsewheer BUT we do not then turn around and sell it all for a profit. It's for our personal use with "some" being sold as required at matches.
 
We sell to shooters at the club, but they are required to shoot that ammo AT the club, they are not allowed to remove it from our premises.
It is intended as a solution to those that have not brought ammo with them , or when the local store runs out, not as a retail outlet.
Cat
 
taffman said:
If your going to harass him for a PAL to sell him ammo, you might as well really make his day and ask to see his gun registration.:kickInTheNuts:
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It not actually called harrsament,it's called obeying the current legislation that governs ammunition sales.It's not a requirement of clubs to ask to see a firearm registration.It is a requirement to ask to see a PAL when selling ammunition.Whether your club chooses to do so or not is up to them.
Covey Ridge is correct in what he is saying.
Dave
 
Can't remember which gov't agency I got this from, but you have to keep a record of ammo sales for the current year plus one, then you canget rid of them. (in ON )
 
I'll ask again:

"Does anyone here REALLY know what is and is not permissable? BY LAW. What is...or is not...actually required? Or point me to the laws so I can read them myself?"

I realize various clubs do various things. But I'd like to know what a Club is SUPPOSED TO DO in order to be in complete compliance with whatever laws we are governed by.

I'd like to know if there was anything wrong with what we used to do at my Club.....or if people were just being paranoid...resulting in our no longer selling ammo.
 
I can just see the headline now. Gangstas stocking up on unregulated nines at local skeet club. Byline: Also occasionally buying 7 1/2s.

Any small birds and clay disks within 35 yards of the street better watch out for drive-bys.
 
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