Semi-auto 9mm Suomi

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Nice... but 5 rounds magazine would still suck...
 
just remember if they used ANY of the orig reciever (ie re-welds) its a converted auto here in canada

IF not you can try and import one send it to the rcmp and see if they refuse it you lose it or you have to re-export it

BIG $$$ involved
 
People building these in US have to use a new receiver with reduced internal diamter, so that the original f/a bolt would not fit. There is no way it would be considered a converted auto here in Canada with a new receiver that cant even accept the original bolt...
On the other hand, im sure the boys at RCMP would still find a way to convert it to full auto, and claim that its "too easy to do", making it prohib.
 
Even with a new tube, there may be portions of the original receiver reused. If any part has been recycled, the gun will automatically be a prohib.
If the mechanism cleared US ATF inspection, it will be a semi auto.

As far as importing one goes...
The manufacturer is going to have to be registered with US DOS for export of their products.
A licenced US exporter will have to handle the export.
The US DOS will have to issue an export permit; this will require submission of a Cdn. import permit. DOS may or may not allow export.
The firearm will have to be registered in Canada. This will require creation of a FRT number. All existing Suomi FRT numbers are for prohibited firearms. It is very likely the RCMP will want to inspect it, if you can get it out of the US.
It will be a restricted firearm, unless the barrel exceeds 18 1/2". As I mentionned above, it is unlikely that conversion to full auto would be an issue, if the firearm has been approved by ATF. ATF is rather thorough in determining if a firearm can be readily converted to full auto.
 
Spencer built an open bolt one but had to dismantle it after the RCMP made it into a full auto. The gun below is an open bolt sten suomi hybrid but there is another gun being built that will look like a real suomi.

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has this spencer guy ever got thru ALL the red tape /registry hoops yet??
for any such gun........
i hear his name often but never have seen the proof in the pudding ..........

so it begins .........
 
NB.nagantsniper said:
has this spencer guy ever got thru ALL the red tape /registry hoops yet??
for any such gun........
i hear his name often but never have seen the proof in the pudding ..........

so it begins .........
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He will never get through ALL the red tape, he keeps building new guns. Several of his stens have been approved.
 
w ww.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=147292677

Edited to remove hotlink.

Item has been relisted as:

w ww.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=148086908
 
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Somethings wierd - his auction has a link to his site, which has a link of RCMP testing his creation - and in it they replace the semi bolt (I assume) with another, and it goes full auto???? And it's permitted for sale??
 
The question I pose is this: Is the effort and pushing through red tape worth the effort? If it is your one and only dream gun, perhaps. But otherwise? Merely adding my two cents.
 
DaveGP said:
Somethings wierd - his auction has a link to his site, which has a link of RCMP testing his creation - and in it they replace the semi bolt (I assume) with another, and it goes full auto???? And it's permitted for sale??
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The RCMP took a bolt, cut a clearance slot through it so that the tip of the tripping lever would not contact the bolt, and swapped it for the bolt that was in the gun when it came in for inspection. This made the gun full auto. There was an even easier method they could have used that would have required no modifications. The guns made in this earlier pattern were classified as prohibited.
The design has since been modified, and the bolt made not readily removable. Because the bolt is not readily removed, the time factor to convert the gun to full auto in this manner has been increased.
The issue is not so much whether a semi auto can be converted to full auto, it is how long it takes, and what expertise, tools and parts are needed. There is established case law precedent, all the way through to the Supreme Court of Canada.
The approved design has FRT number 129614-1 for a Mk. II type gun. Because Stens of all marks use the same basic trigger mechanism, all repro. Stens made with the revised operating system should be able to receive FRT numbers.
The hybrid gun pictured in this thread uses the approved Sten trigger mechanism (and the bolt is no doubt not readily removable) so it should clear inspection, from the standpoint of ease of conversion.
 
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