Service Rifle Questions

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I have some questions about service rifle that I am hoping you good folks could answer.

I may be under some misconceptions about service rifle, especially the CQB taking place at CFB Borden.

What is Service Rifle Mandate....what is its purpose? I assumed it was for additional training for our active troops, with some sprinkling of civy participation.

Do courses of fire generally stay static...or are there varying courses of fire designed by the match directors? My understanding was it was the same course of fire, and competitors tried to build their skills through accuracy!

Typically, what would you say the average competancy level/skill set do new shooters to the sporr have, and what if any training course/mentorship happens with new shooters.

Do Service Rifle matches happen at ranges other than DND operated facilities?

Do the CQB matches happen anywhere other than the CFB Borden?

That is all for now. I might have more later as this thread progresses! My main reason for these questions are to better understand if these types of matches are feasable or even viable for a range other than a DND operated range. I appreciate your help.
 
Wow, that's a poopload of questions to answer. How about giving me a skype or long distance phone call sometime soon? I can answer all that in a conversation, much easier and I'm off to bed right now. Gotta be at Mons Range for 0730 hrs tomorrow AM.

Better yet, why not come out and see for yourself what ORA does with the Service Rifle and CQB, you will have a better understanding that way....

Cheers,
Barney
 
7.62mm said:
.....My main reason for these questions are to better understand if these types of matches are feasable or even viable for a range other than a DND operated range.....
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CQB style matches, as run by the ORA, could be conducted on any range which permits this sort of shooting. The shooting is all short range, and there are many ranges available for short range shooting. It would really depend on the policies, rules and regulations of the range operator.
Service Rifle/Service Conditions competition requires a range going back to at least 500y or meters, with a proper mantlet and butts. Most such ranges are DND. There are some privately owned ranges which qualify. Offhand, there are non-DND ranges in ON, SK, NS, AB? which meet these requirements. Certainly no private ranges in QC.
The majority of Service Conditions competitors at the national level are service personnel, with a civilian minority.
 
Thanks....

I have been crusing the ORA Website, but can't find any specific info on the CQB Portion. Is CQB a new form with specific course of fire, or are there different courses of fire that a Match directors come up with?

And are there any specific Private ranges that I could contact that run the CQB matches?
 
Nope, no civie ranges run CQB, liability issues and other fun stuff like that.
Your best bet is to show up at one of the matches and see for yourself.
Next match is in July at Borden.
PM me or Bolivar for CQB info or questions.
 
As far as ORA/CQB matches are concerned, you probably read the loooong thread about CQB and EESA.
Concerns were expressed about match conduct and safety.

If you go to the ORA website - www.ontariorifleassociation.ca - there is the barest mention of Service conditions shooting. There is more information in the Spring 2012 edition of the ORA Journal, but no courses of fire. Back to the EESA/safety issue for a moment, look carefully at the right side of the photo on the ORA site.

I have attended CQB shoots at a non-DND range in the past.
I am unaware of any non-DND clubs/ranges currently offering this type of competition.

The complete rule book for the DCRA Service Conditions matches can be found at www.dcra.ca.
 
Yes I was part of that thread. I am a memer of EESA, and have taken it upon myself to see if there is a feasable way to bring CQB to EESA.

The member wanting to bring CQB sent a proposal. It has a number of different courses of fire. The one CQB Clinic and match that I attended two years ago, had only one course of fire, of which I thought was the basis of the CQB match. (things may have evolved since then, so am trying to determine what a match consists of) I am not sure that any private range would ever allow a 4-10 person run down/advance on target arrays, also holster cerrification would be an issue at EESA, as we have a policy that states everyone using a holster must be certified. I don't think we are alone in that regard.
 
7.62mm said:
Yes I was part of that thread. I am a memer of EESA, and have taken it upon myself to see if there is a feasable way to bring CQB to EESA.

The member wanting to bring CQB sent a proposal. It has a number of different courses of fire. The one CQB Clinic and match that I attended two years ago, had only one course of fire, of which I thought was the basis of the CQB match. (things may have evolved since then, so am trying to determine what a match consists of) I am not sure that any private range would ever allow a 4-10 person run down/advance on target arrays, also holster cerrification would be an issue at EESA, as we have a policy that states everyone using a holster must be certified. I don't think we are alone in that regard.
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Parallel advance to targets is no different that an a group of bird or deer hunters pushing a section of land to be hunted. Safer really because all the targets are at know locations and directly in front of the shooters.

As for holster certification, that is up the club. If it is a requirement, fine. Since ORA CQB limits participants to condition three, there is no chance of AD/ND with a pistol on the draw.

I missed out on the long thread and I don't know all of EESAs concerns or other concerns that were voiced so I can't comment to specific arguments for or against that were raised. All I can do is give my 2cents worth.
 
Bolivar said:
Parallel advance to targets is no different that an a group of bird or deer hunters pushing a section of land to be hunted. Safer really because all the targets are at know locations and directly in front of the shooters.

As for holster certification, that is up the club. If it is a requirement, fine. Since ORA CQB limits participants to condition three, there is no chance of AD/ND with a pistol on the draw.

I missed out on the long thread and I don't know all of EESAs concerns or other concerns that were voiced so I can't comment to specific arguments for or against that were raised. All I can do is give my 2cents worth.
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What Brian said, sept the guys at CQB look far cooler, especially in multicam.
QUACK!
 
Bolivar said:
Parallel advance to targets is no different that an a group of bird or deer hunters pushing a section of land to be hunted. Safer really because all the targets are at know locations and directly in front of the shooters.
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But our guns are scary so it's much more unsafe. The word "safety" is thrown around in Canada so much it loses meaning. People have stopped using common sense so now if anyone has an issue with anything, it's for "safety" concerns. Hunters walk around all day in the bush with rifles slung and that's fine but for some reason, it's not allowed in a controlled environment like a range.

We trust police to walk around our country all day, every day with a loaded pistol in a holster but they need to take a special course to use a holster on a civvy range? If there are certain rules that differ from their ranges, can these not be explained in a 5 minute conversation?

This is not directed at anyone in particular, just venting.
 
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