Sheep/Goat Grand Slam of the World?

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WhelanLad

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Keen to hear more about the World of Sheep and Goat Hunting!

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These Himilayan Tahr have givin me a bit of perspective on the World of Sheep Hunting.... i just feel the Cost would limit alot of Hunt oppertunitys.....however one can dream yeah!?


NZ Chamois
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NZ Tahr
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270 Winchester finding 130gr Cup an Cores are staying inside most of the animals! fairly dense between the shoulders.
 
If only one had the time and money to do it all!

I have taken our mountain goat and bighorn and stones sheep.
Been dreaming of argalis, mouflon, snow sheep and ibex for decades.
May never happen, but thankfully I can live vicariously through others on those adventures via their hunting videos and shows!

I have taken mountain goats with the 7mm Rem Mag, 270 Win and 7mm STW at 15, 110 and 30 yards respectively. Always read about the need to reach out on goats. Have not found that to be the case in my scenarios, and eventually want to take one with my recurve.
My sheep have been taken with the 6.5x55 and 7mm STW at distances of 100 to 300 yards. I did get a shot at a stones sheep with my recurve, but muffed my first shot at 28 yards and skipped the arrow off his back. On the follow up shot, the range finder got the rock and not the sheep, and I sent the arrow just under his chest at what I thought was 32 yards. When he ran out to 150 yards, I used the rifle, as I could not leave a wounded animal on the mountain. Still, was fun and exciting to get that close with my bow.

Will be packing my 280 Rem on the next sheep/goat hunt along with my recurve.
 
BlackRam said:
If only one had the time and money to do it all!

I have taken our mountain goat and bighorn and stones sheep.
Been dreaming of argalis, mouflon, snow sheep and ibex for decades.
May never happen, but thankfully I can live vicariously through others on those adventures via their hunting videos and shows!

I have taken mountain goats with the 7mm Rem Mag, 270 Win and 7mm STW at 15, 110 and 30 yards respectively. Always read about the need to reach out on goats. Have not found that to be the case in my scenarios, and eventually want to take one with my recurve.
My sheep have been taken with the 6.5x55 and 7mm STW at distances of 100 to 300 yards. I did get a shot at a stones sheep with my recurve, but muffed my first shot at 28 yards and skipped the arrow off his back. On the follow up shot, the range finder got the rock and not the sheep, and I sent the arrow just under his chest at what I thought was 32 yards. When he ran out to 150 yards, I used the rifle, as I could not leave a wounded animal on the mountain. Still, was fun and exciting to get that close with my bow.

Will be packing my 280 Rem on the next sheep/goat hunt along with my recurve.
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i think theres too much money for the grand slam to become a reality almost hey!!
You;ve had some good adventres by the sounds!!
 
Those are good looking animals Whelenlad! I've only been able to hunt our Canadian sheep and goats so far. Sheep hunting is addictive but expensive! Those NZ Chamois really interest me. That's a hunt I could see myself doing before the mountains get too steep for this flatlander.
 
Longwalker said:
Those are good looking animals Whelenlad! I've only been able to hunt our Canadian sheep and goats so far. Sheep hunting is addictive but expensive! Those NZ Chamois really interest me. That's a hunt I could see myself doing before the mountains get too steep for this flatlander.
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Mate, Seriously....... Fly on Over- i know some Cham country ;)
 
Sorry, unable to post pics, but can share if sent an e-mail address.

First Mtn Goat: 1997. 15 yards with a 7mm Rem Mag, Rem 700 LSS. 10 1/2" billy aged at 6 1/2 years old taken near Grande Cache, AB 2 hour climb.
Second Mtn Goat: 1998. 110 yards with a 270 Win, LH Rem 700 LSS. 9" nanny. Was fooled by horns and she had a good "beard" and full cape (late season). Put her horns beside billy and they have identical curvature and similar mass symmetry through length of horn. Definitely not the thin, hooked at end configuration.
Third Mtn Goat: 1999. 30 yards with 7mm STW, custom LH Sako AV. 8 3/4" billy, taken southwest of Tumbler Ridge, BC. Large billy at 100 yards was wearing a radio collar so passed on him. When I turned to leave, the young billy was bedded to my left watching me. He had actually watched me crawl up through the stunted sub-alpine fir for the last 400 yardsof my stalk, but since he was tucked in tight to the firs, in the shadows, I hadn't noticed him. 2 hour climb up an avalanche chute. Was a fun solo hunt.
Been on many other mtn goat hunts, but did not harvest an animal as they were either nannies with kids, younger billies, too windy, or in a place where recovery wouldbe too dangerous for me; hate heights and do not do to well in really steep terrain. Passed on a 8" billy at 8 yards at the base of the mountain, with my 338 Win Mag; just didn't feel right. Would have been likea drive by shooting and akin to murder, not hunting.
Still wanting to harvest a goat with my recurve. Have had a partially torn Achilles tendon the past number of years that is not healing properly. Waiting for it to get better to do another goat hunt. Have a good spot picked out where the terrain shouldn't be too hard on the ankle.
 
Interesting...
First time I have ever heard or read that the stones sheep is a sub-species of the dall. Not sure, but do not believe that to be accurate.
I know people used to say that the fannin was a cross between the stones and the dall, but it has actually been proven that the fannin is a stones sheep, but just a lighter coloured version. Could see how the thought came about, as the fannins live in the area between the two different species historical ranges. The distinction is the black tail. Only the stones have the black tail. Dalls have a white tail. All in all, still a beautiful animal! Stones sheep also known as the "black ram"; where I took my internet name from. Some are almost completely black, with just some white on the backs of their legs and bellies. Love those salt and pepper coloured rams. And they are absolutely delicious!
 
BlackRam said:
Interesting...
First time I have ever heard or read that the stones sheep is a sub-species of the dall. Not sure, but do not believe that to be accurate.
I know people used to say that the fannin was a cross between the stones and the dall, but it has actually been proven that the fannin is a stones sheep, but just a lighter coloured version. Could see how the thought came about, as the fannins live in the area between the two different species historical ranges. The distinction is the black tail. Only the stones have the black tail. Dalls have a white tail. All in all, still a beautiful animal! Stones sheep also known as the "black ram"; where I took my internet name from. Some are almost completely black, with just some white on the backs of their legs and bellies. Love those salt and pepper coloured rams. And they are absolutely delicious!
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The Stones sheep and Dall sheep are actually the same species, but display local variations of colour. Way back when they were being "discovered" by biologists and by hunters collecting them, they were thought to be separate species. but it's just a regional expression of the same genes, same behaviour, same animal in all ways but coat colour. At best they are subspecies varieties. The hunters clubs and collectors and outfitters have done a really good job convincing paying hunters that they are actually different, but no biologists would currently agree with that point of view. It's like red foxes and black bears. Both have many colour variations based on local populations and geographical region, but a Kermode bear and Cinnamon bear and a Black bear are the same species, as is a Red fox and a Silver fox and a Cross fox. Still a good reason to go hunt for all the variations, but they are certainly not different species.

Whelenlad, there is no chance whatsoever of a foreign national simply purchasing a tag for a Stone's sheep. Not even a chance for a Canadian who is not also from British Columbia, sorry! Actually if I remember correctly even BC residents must enter a lottery for a tag.
 
For BC residents the tags are over the counter for Stone sheep, Bighorn sheep (except California Bighorn areas believe they’re all draw), and Mountain Goat. The area determines if you need an LEH (Limited Entry Hunt authorization), there are plenty of open season zones for all three.

Some interesting side notes, Stone sheep the cheapest hunts are about $30,000US. I’d recommend you spend $40-50,000 and do it right. Stone Sheep and Dahl Sheep are indeed the exact same species, with just different hair colour expressions. Mountain Goats aren’t actually goats, they’re a genus all of their own and the last surviving member of it, equally related to goats, sheep, and musk ox oddly enough. They simply looked like goats to early westerners who encountered them and the name stuck.

Notes on goats in particular as that is our business, the biggest are on the north coast British Columbia, and to lesser extent the Alaska panhandle (four of the top five all time are from the North Coast). They’re one of the few animals growing in the record books, which is a heartwarming thought, for most species the glory days are in the past- but not for them.

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