Shipping rifle stock across the border?

Thx boys, im aware of north shore.


Q im asking is, Can you legally ship a rifle stock across the border?

From Xlr direct is a good price. $130 cheaper. Kyle told me in a e-mail they could ship it to Canada for an extra $65. Im just not sure if he is aware of the laws... if there are any.

anyone know forsure and not assuming or guessing?
 
AKD said:
... if there are any....
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Yes, there are.

The issue is export from the US.
The manufacturer must be registered with the US DOS.
The exporter must be a business with an export licence.
You must get a IIC from Cdn. DFAIT; this is free.
You send the IIC to the licenced US exporter.
The licenced US exporter applies to US DOS for an export permit. US DOS charges a fee for the export permit.
Once the export permit is received, the licenced US exporter sends the stock.
CBSA will be pleased to charge you the taxes.
If you are not sending a IIC, the exporter is not getting the export permit.
This suggests US law is being ignored.
If the export is being made illegally, and the parcel gets tagged on the US side, you will lose it, and the exporter could be charged.
 
That's not a bad price for a complete stock... looks kind of nice too!
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I've had a tubestock get "detained" by the Canadian Border Agency... they claimed I was trying to smuggle an illegal firearm receiver.

It took a little while, but they finally agreed that it wasn't a firearm receiver after sending them
- A letter from the manufacturer telling them it is not a firearm receiver
- A email from the ATF telling them it was not a firearm receiver
- A letter from the RCMP telling them that rifle stocks are not a controlled goods.
- A copy of my import permit, showing I was importing a rifle stock.

After talking with the reviewing agent... they thought I was trying to pull a fast on them because the "stock" was anodized red...
 
Mr.Sparkle said:
Some interesting reading:
http://www.cancorpcounsel.org/fr/Education/pdf/fulbright_article_spring_conf_2006.pdf

I have a Bell and Carlson stock on order from Aftermarket Innovations in the US. For a fee ($87 including shipping), Jim takes care of the paperwork:
http://www.rifle-accuracy.com/overseas_customer_info.htm
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Unless the rules have changed, and heaven knows they do, if you (the importer) have not filled out the proper documents from your govt to prove legal ownership, what could a US store possibly apply for you with the US State Dept?

Some items are ok under the $100 provision but most stocks are over that.

The question the US govt wants is "who is the end user?" and can they prove they are who they say they are and do not have any legal restrictions.

There have been several US "exporters" that have 'done the paperwork' over the years but unless something has changed in the last few months, they are taking a fee and doing zippo.

As tiriaq so nicely outlined, just because an exporter supposedly does some paper work for you, IF the manf company is not licensed for legal export, the product being exported is illegal.

Again, maybe B&C has jumped through the hoops recently, but if they haven't, their products cannot be legally exported out of the US no matter who fills out what.

Nomex ON :stirthepot2:

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
Unless the rules have changed, and heaven knows they do, if you (the importer) have not filled out the proper documents from your govt to prove legal ownership, what could a US store possibly apply for you with the US State Dept?

Some items are ok under the $100 provision but most stocks are over that.

The question the US govt wants is "who is the end user?" and can they prove they are who they say they are and do not have any legal restrictions.

There have been several US "exporters" that have 'done the paperwork' over the years but unless something has changed in the last few months, they are taking a fee and doing zippo.

As tiriaq so nicely outlined, just because an exporter supposedly does some paper work for you, IF the manf company is not licensed for legal export, the product being exported is illegal.

Again, maybe B&C has jumped through the hoops recently, but if they haven't, their products cannot be legally exported out of the US no matter who fills out what.

Nomex ON :stirthepot2:

Jerry
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Jerry,

Good points. No Nomex needed! I did not know that a manufacturer had to be licensed for export.

When I filled out my order at Rifle-Accuracy, I had to fill in a statement on my order that confirmed I was a "Canadian registered person" and that the stock was for private use, etc. According to the web site this would suffice for them to obtain the necesssary export paperwork. Perhaps I am being naive that this could be true.

I know others in Canada have ordered successfully from Jim at RA without incident. I got an e-mail yesterday with a tracking number for my B&C stock, so hopefully it'll show up in a week or so. I will post here when/if it does.

I'll also ask Jim if I get a chance how the procedure that I went through works with respect to export permits and if anything has changed with B&C.

Scott
 
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I know that the NRA and other US business have lobbied the US govt hard to ease up on the sales of gunstuff and a whole lot of other stuff that may have related uses with the Military.

I am sure you have heard of the brake pads or truck axle being banned from export because they were used in a military vehicle. Stuff like that.

So the US govt has listened and somewhere in all this mess, are changes. Who? What? Where? Why? I really don't think anyone has a clear stand in front of a judge type ruling on gunstuff to individuals. Just phone down and ask 3 companies. I bet you get 3 different answers.

I am sure BAD GUY will be more then happy to sign off on a piece of paper pronouncing his goodness in a foreign land. And since he has a whole bunch of friends, or can sign his name many different ways, he can now import a whole range of goodies that were restricted to him before. See why this process stinks to high heaven?

BUT what has been crystal clear is that the orig. manf MUST be set up for legal export regardless of what intermediate steps are taken along the way.

So what "Jim" is doing may be a correct interpretation of one part of the new system BUT if the product he is offering is not registered for export, then that process is breaking some law somewhere in another part of this system.

And if the orig manf is set up for legal export, there will be a stampede of Cdn importers that will want to set up relationship in bulk which will greatly reduce the cost and hassles to the Cdn consumer.

Case in point is Choate and JW Precision. Now that the issue of export is dealt with, larger volumes can be imported into Canada and a supply chain can be established. local dealers can now offer the product which should reduce costs/hassles to end users.

I am all for entrepreneurship and innovative ways to do business ( I marvel at the value of the internet everyday) but there is still way too much grey in our sport AND that could get someone in a world of hurt....

The US State Dept has ZERO tolerance and no sense of humor. Neither does US customs.....

Jerry
 
There is discussion about a new chassis that might be available this year. See post about 2 from this one.

Robertson Composites is certainly worth a look.

A few guys that might be making lam stocks although I don't any contact info.

Then brands like Choate, Boyds

But if you want a chassis stock that is in production now, MDT is it.

Let me know...

Jerry
 
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