Shooting ranges around Kitchener Waterloo

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Remington® Express® 1.6 1.5 zero -3.1 -8.0 -25.5 -57.0

thats the information I was going from so i figured at 600 yards it was 78" high already so to travel the remaining 400 I would try holding it off buy the same number needless to say it didnt work but i never saw them kick up dust on the way down to the target
 
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If you were sighted in at 600 yards then aimed another 78 inches higher you were only about 570 inches low to at 1000 yards.:eek:
Throw in a 10 mph crosswind and you are 25 MOA down wind at 1000. 25 MOA at 1000 yards is 250 inches or about 20 ft to the down wind side. :p
As long as you were having fun, that's all that counts. Having your own place to shoot this far would be great.
 
not to start a fight or anything I see you been around 1,100 posts, but according to the charts i have it says if you sight the gun for the ammo I am shooting at 100 yards, and you target is at 1000, the difference is -493 high. thats why I am having a hard time grasping that if it was sighted in at 600 I would still need to aim 570 inchs high. its making it sound like the guns barrel should be pointed at 30 degree angle... obiviously you have used this program and then shot in the field so it must work right? what would a 300 ultra mag with 155 grain boat tail do if i was in the same situation?

and if i set my zeroed range to 1000 and my target range to 100 it says to set the sights 49 inches high to hit at 1000 yards zero ???
 
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The farther out you go, the quicker it drops. Velocity decreases and gravity takes over.
Let's not confuse MOA to inches. 1 MOA at 1000 yards=about 10 inches.
A .300 RUM with a 155 will be moving out around 3400 fps. Sighted in at 100 yards you will need to hold over about 238 inches or about 23-24 MOA to hit at 1000 yards. Velocity goes from 3400fps at the muzzle to less then 1500fps at 1000yards, gravity is the constant.

I guess the next thing to tell you is not to believe what the box says about velocity and trajectory, it is a lot of hype. All barrels are not the same and shorter barrel lengths will never get the advertised velocities.
If you know your velocity, bullet weight, and BC of the bullet, that Ballistic calculator is very close.
 
I never rely on the box I normally just go out and shoot 100 yard zero 200 yards zero 300 yards zero. normally when I am just screwing around i dont shoot at more then 300 so I got those trajectories down.

Interesting that the 300 RUM is that much better velocities are the same. As my 26" barrel fireing those 55 grainers, you seem very experinced anything short of a .50cal. Whats the flatest shooting round... what are your thoughts about leupolds bdc's ? bullet drop cams. I am sure you know what they are. i dont shoot enough to remember the ammount of clicks or moa to change it up or down. I guess thats what a good spotter is for...
 
Oh I shot lots of .50 too but not in a rifle, in a .50BMG.
The only scopes I have on a rifle is a Leupold Vari Xll 3X9 on a .300 Win Mag 700 Rem hunting rifle. And sometimes a Unertl 10X on a smallbore rifle just for off season practice and sh*ts and giggles. Everything else is iron sights for 50 yds and 100 yds for smallbore and irons for 300 to 1000 yards in fullbore target rifle.
As far as remembering elevations, that's what the log book is for. Or for known distances, tape the elevations on your stock. I have seen one guy that taped the elevations on the inside of the flip up caps on his scope.

For flat shooting without beating yourself to death with recoil I think I would have to go with the majority of the F Class crowd and say 6.5-.284. Then again any caliber with a high BC bullet will beat what us TR guys have to shoot. I find Lapua 155's require about 2 MOA less elevation at long range the 155 Sierras. They are also a higher BC then the Sierras.
 
I dont care about beating my self to death... I have a very nice remington 870 custom slug shotgun with thumbhole and 2-7*33 leupold on it. Loves to eat windchester premier gold at 16 bucks a box for 5 shots... for practice I use winchester cheapy slugs 15 for 10 bucks I like to shoot about 100 of them so if that gives you any idea what would the flatest round be with more recoil then the 6.5-.284, I am really impressed with my dads .270 but I think I can do better on the flatness of the trajectory.

You shoot iron sights at 1000 what are your groups like ?
 
When you start talking long range around 800-1000 yards, flat shooting really does not come into play. Aiming off for elevation isn't something you would do during a competition. You would alway dial in elevation on a scope or iron sights. How the bullet is effected by the wind is the bigger issue. There are some new 7mm bullets and wildcat cartridges that some F Class shooters are looking at. For now anything 6.5 seems to be the go to.

At 1000 yards my rifles will hold 1/2 MOA elevation or better if I do my part with iron sights. Reading the wind at that range being a different story.
 
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When you start talking long range around 800-1000 yards, flat shooting really does not come into play. Aiming off for elevation isn't something you would do during a competition. You would alway dial in elevation on a scope or iron sights. How the bullet is effected by the wind is the bigger issue. There are some new 7mm bullets and wildcat cartridges that some F Class shooters are looking at. For now anything 6.5 seems to be the go to.

At 1000 yards my rifles will hold 1/2 MOA elevation or better if I do my part with iron sights. Reading the wind at that range being a different story.
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i take it you have shot in the ORA?
 
1/2 minute at 1000 yards would be 5", 1/2 minute at 100 yards is 1/2"

which is now more or less a V bull at 1000 yards for F class and TR i believe??

they recently chopped it in half didnt they?
 
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1/2 minute at 1000 yards would be 5", 1/2 minute at 100 yards is 1/2"

which is now more or less a V bull at 1000 yards for F class and TR i believe??

they recently chopped it in half didnt they?
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International F-class is going/gone to the 1/2 min Bullseye. TR is remaining with the around 1 min bullseye.

NormB
 
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are you saying you fire as tight of groups at 1000 as my rifle does at 100 ?
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1/2 MOA at 1000 yards is about 5 inches. My rifle shoots great elevation (waterline) when I do my part. The wind however is what will throw you into the 4 or even the 3 ring. But hey, on wild days at Connaught I have been caught in the aim and missed the whole flipping target board :mad: :( :confused: . Those long range targets are 10 ft wide, how the hell could I have missed it! " RANGE OFFICER, CHALLENGE FOR A HIT ON TARGET 34" :dancingbanana:

Norm, TR bull is still about 2 MOA the "V" is about 1 MOA for us TR guys. Come on we need all the help we can get with our 150 year old sighting systems and aging eyes. :p
 
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