Shooting SCHMIDT RUBIN 1911 Clamp-On Scope Mount. REVIEW

84mmcarl-gustav

Regular
Rating - 100%
299   0   0
Review,of 1889,1896,96/11,1911.k11,and kadet
1911 Clamp-On Scope Mount.The SP 1911 Clamp-On Scope/Diopter Mount installs quickly on the Rifles. Requires no alteration to the rifle

1911scopedschmidtrubin0.jpg

What you need to scoped the rifle
-3/8 dovetail base .22 ring to fit the rail,why rail is ½ because,cartridge clearance to eject.see pict.

1911scopedschmidtrubin0.jpg




-scope should not have too large of objective,why to clear rear sight see pict.
1911scopedschmidtrubin0.jpg



On the k11 and 1889 32mm should be considered as the maximum diameter possible.
-scope mount made by Swiss product,very stable product hard steel mount,well made and fit perfectly,come with two screws,two sleeves,key for the bolt,and instruction easy do it

1911scopedschmidtrubin0.jpg


1911scopedschmidtrubin0.jpg


For the review I used

Schmidt rubin 1911

Warne scope mounts 7.3/.22 1 inches tube high height
http://www.grouseriver.com/Warne_Maxima_Rimfire_Rings_p/opt-000464.htm

scope is vortex crossfire II 2-7X32
http://www.grouseriver.com/Vortex_Crossfire_2_7x32_p/opt-000489.htm
1-Remove original scews out,take your scope mount with bushing,large in the front small back of the rifle,install bushing with the flangs toward the trigger plate,tighten front screw first.
2-depend on what type of scope you will use.
Loose the base of the scope mount,and slide to the stop (must)

1911scopedschmidtrubin0.jpg


then second base ½ to ¼ from the rear of the rail,tight the base.
3-remove top ring,clean holes with alcohol.
Don’t forget to turn the scope 90 degree,left,so no turret in the way of ejection.
4-put top ring back with screws tighten slowly and keep checking to see the crosshair are straight,alternate full turns of screws until you make contact,like
1st---4TH
3rd---2nd
Then do ¼ turn and check the gap between top and bottom of ring is equal.

Windage is now your up and down
Up and down is your windage,you will get to us it.
On the range about 50m,I put the rifle stable,removed the bolt,see trought the barell,to look at the center of the target,I adjusted up,and down of the scope,and windage,fire few shooted to adjusted,
100 meter I shooted few more round,I got 1 ½ to 2 inches grouping,

1911scopedschmidtrubin0.jpg


1911scopedschmidtrubin0.jpg



I checked the mount for loose scews,nothing moved,and its holding 0,the thing I will had next time will be a cheek pad,my rifle is a Schmidt rubin 1911,still accurate with all those year behind
 
.
I am definitely in favor of no drill - no tap scope mounts for historic and original rifles, particularly Military ones. Last week, SMELLIE loaned me the exact same model of mount as I had just bought a k-11 Carbine. While the 3/8 rings should be adequate, I would like to see the top rail a bit wider so that a Weaver type rings could be used. This could easily be done by either drilling the top rail off center, thus still allowing ejection of empty brass, and/or making the two vertical front and back sections a bit wider on top for support underneath them.

This mount was designed by "Swiss Rifle Products", a company owned by the St. Pierre family in the United States, who are well known for their interest in Swiss Rifles. I believe that DIOPTER is the Canadian Distributor. (I might be wrong on this though, and if so, will soon be corrected.) The mount is steel, and is strong and robust enough, along with being well built and designed. If this Snow ever quits, and the wind goes down a bit, I have some good reloads that I intend to see how well perform, and how well the mount does.
.
 
3/8" rings will be more than enough for this. No need for the the extra width of the weaver /Stanag rails.
Just don't use see through rings as the base of ring rides OVER the stop on the front of the rail, and the Millette Angle Loc rings I tried would not hold zero,
The Warne 7.3 3/8" rings are great on any of the Swiss Rifle mounts and I'm glad Grouse River carries them in Canada. Many other cheaper rings do just fine.
 
Last edited:
Regarding cheekpads.
I asked my friend Pete ( http://www.czechmauseritis.com ) about 1911 version.

His answer:

Carlos, This is one I made with an ambidextrous riser and an integral recoil pad. I'm making a regular one right now I'll send pictures of when I get it completed. I'll send a couple more pics with different views.
Best, Pete

photo3_zps8bf936c5.jpg
 
Last edited:
As soon as Buffdog has finished his testing, the same mount (which fits!!!!) will be going onto an 1897-built rifle which has survived with the wood chopped-down mercilessly but still having a very-near perfect bore. There also is a .30-30 Model 89 which will be drafted into this test sequence, so we are looking to learn a lot.

We are expecting Very Good Things from this mount. It is robust enough and it is made of a really decent grade of blued steel. This is several steps UP from many available mounts, some of which seem to be made of Aluminum, others of compressed dirt or something. This one is STEEL and it is well-designed to adapt to a very accurate rifle which "everyone knows" can NOT be adapted to the use of a scope. "Everyone" is wrong again; this mount does the job.

It may look a bit outrageous but it certainly WORKS as intended.... and it holds zero.

Holding zero is, after all, the object of the whole exercise.
 
Looking forward to see how all of your testing pans out.
Have some GP11 to use as a control?

I've gotten used to the Victorian/Jules Verne/Steam Punk look. :)

I would call it "Victorian Structural Expressionist", a la Gustave Eiffel.

Seriously, good luck with the weather and have some fun.
 
Just acquired a 1911 which will require no such consideration since Bubba drilled out two horizontal slots in the rib between the two flutes on the top of the action. Perhaps he had a couple of pipe clamps in mind! Happily the barrel is excellent, but the wood is chopped and lovingly sanded to minimum dimensions before the addition of a coat of opaque golden oak stain and some glossy varnish that looks right for one of those tables made out of a slice of cedar burl they used to tell you how to make in Popular Mechanics in 1952!;)

In other words, it's @%^T#'d!
 
Just acquired a 1911 which will require no such consideration since Bubba drilled out two horizontal slots in the rib between the two flutes on the top of the action. Perhaps he had a couple of pipe clamps in mind! Happily the barrel is excellent, but the wood is chopped and lovingly sanded to minimum dimensions before the addition of a coat of opaque golden oak stain and some glossy varnish that looks right for one of those tables made out of a slice of cedar burl they used to tell you how to make in Popular Mechanics in 1952!;)

In other words, it's @%^T#'d!

Guisan picked up quite a few stocks at a gunshow in Europe in the past year.
He had them "duffle bag" cut at a Barrel band to hide the cut and the joint.
This saves having to charge the $140.00 shipping cost each out of the Netherlands.
Some have come out really nice.
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/topic/11598/Guisan-saves-another-Swiss-rifle
 
Last edited:
.
A couple of weeks ago, I bought a Swiss K-11 Carbine, and then loaded some ammunition with 165 grain bullets and various powder charges so I could find an accuracy load that this rifle would like. SMELLIE loaned me on of the Swiss Products clamp on scope mount, the same as the OP describes. I attached the mount to the K-11 withan older Weaver 2.5x Micro-Trac scope on top, so that I could get abit better aim for testing my loads. Unlike some of the popular mounts made from Aluminium, this one is Steel. The mount attaches to the firearm and in less than 5 minutes, you can be ready to go. No alteration to the firearm is needed, and the two mounting bolts that replace the original action screws are supplied.

I would say that this mount is worth the money for anyone who wants to scope his Swiss Schmidt Rubin rifle.
.
 
Buffdog
Good choice of scope.
5850894b7261e1868a33116306ec1e23.jpg

The k11 needs as small an objective as possible.
I had to flip the rear sight forward so the 32mm objective would fit.
Still looking for an affordable 24mm straight tube objective in 4x or 6x myself.

Removing rear sight blade would be other option, but I hate having loose parts laying around to get lost.
I have no storage room left.
 
Last edited:
Re Stocks.
Guisan sold out of 96/11 stocks but still has for 1889, M1911, and K31.
$75.00 USD + shipping from the Netherlands. PM me for his email if you're in need.
 
Guisan picked up quite a few stocks at a gunshow in Europe in the past year.
He had them "duffle bag" cut at a Barrel band to hide the cut and the joint.
This saves having to charge the $140.00 shipping cost each out of the Netherlands.
Some have come out really nice.
http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/topic/11598/Guisan-saves-another-Swiss-rifle

Thanks for the tip, I think I'll probably move this one on. Compared to a Ross it is distinctly lacking in elegance IMHO!
 
If you can find one in good shape and take it to the range with decent ammo, you find it right up there with the Ross.
I have both too. IMHO
 
Back
Top Bottom