short barreled savage-norinco comparison

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with both savage and nornico offering 13'' barreled .22's,has anyone done a side by side comparison?
*fit and finish
*accuracy
*triggers
 
I own a Norinco, and have had Savage rimfires. The synthetic-stock/el cheap-o Savages look "econo" compared to say...CZs, but look upscale compared to the Norinco. An accutrigger Savage (short ones aren't, I don't think) has a better trigger than the Norinco, but have read that the shorty Savages have really heavy triggers. Fit and finish on any Savage~better than the Norinco Backpacker, specifically...the machining on the Norinco metal.

My Norinco has a creep-y trigger, but I find it very predictable and consistent. The iron sights on the Norinco are absolute garbage, you need to alter them, use optics, or limit yourself to pie-plate-sized targets. The gun has been great, accurate at the range I'm shooting it, cheap~no complaints. I've shot it more than any other gun in the last 6 months, and I have an Anschutz 1450, CZ 452 Varmint, etc.

I've never had, or shot a Savage I didn't like, and consider them better guns than the Norincos~period. At at 60% the price though, for a compact .22, I'd still pick the Norinco..having put 600+ rounds through mine without a hiccup.

So, that tells you nothing...but kept me from working for a couple of minutes. :)
 
They look interesting and an ideal truck gun but when I asked about them at a gunstore they advised me to get a compact 10/22 if I wanted something shorter than the usual length.What really bothers me is the heavy triggers on the new rifles-which I am given to understand are in response to liabilty issues in the US.But why a nice crisp light trigger has been somehow construed to present a ''risk'' to anyone,I really can't figure out
 
ratherbefishin said:
They look interesting and an ideal truck gun but when I asked about them at a gunstore they advised me to get a compact 10/22 if I wanted something shorter than the usual length.What really bothers me is the heavy triggers on the new rifles-which I am given to understand are in response to liabilty issues in the US.But why a nice crisp light trigger has been somehow construed to present a ''risk'' to anyone,I really can't figure out
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The liability issue is easy to figure out - if you accidentally shoot someone with it, you can use the light trigger issue not only to get you off any charges (in the U.S.), but you can sue the mfr. for the stress and hardship caused by an unsafe product, and the victim will also more likely sue the maker rather than you, because gun makers have tons of money compared to Joe Blow.

BTW, I have a Savage Cub with Accu-trigger, and a Norinco EM-332. The Savage is definitely a cut above, but at a much higher price. My Norinco consistently deliver 1/2 inch or better groups at 50 yards with cheap ammo. The Savage shoots very well, but given that it's a kid's gun, it's hard for me to shoot it well (the fact that it's pink may also have a psychological impact:D). The fit and finish on my Norc is quite good, and it is blued and uses real wood, which we don't see on cheap guns any more.
 
Papaclaude said:
The liability issue is easy to figure out - if you accidentally shoot someone with it, you can use the light trigger issue not only to get you off any charges (in the U.S.), but you can sue the mfr. for the stress and hardship caused by an unsafe product, and the victim will also more likely sue the maker rather than you, because gun makers have tons of money compared to Joe Blow.

BTW, I have a Savage Cub with Accu-trigger, and a Norinco EM-332. The Savage is definitely a cut above, but at a much higher price. My Norinco consistently deliver 1/2 inch or better groups at 50 yards with cheap ammo. The Savage shoots very well, but given that it's a kid's gun, it's hard for me to shoot it well (the fact that it's pink may also have a psychological impact:D). The fit and finish on my Norc is quite good, and it is blued and uses real wood, which we don't see on cheap guns any more.
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Interesting, I have the Norinco back packer and a Cub for the wife. The Cub is much, much more refined and the Accu Trigger is sweet. I've been very impressed with the Norinco tho' after a quick "shooting at ice in the river" test run. Cycled great, decent accuracy. Worst part was getting all that damn stinkin' Norincoil out of it. :p Basically it's a mini CZ that needs a bit of loving.
The Cub is a big plus with the peep sight, I've picked up a peep for the Norinco and will see how that works.
 
My Norinco Backpacker has a really good trigger, fairly light. Definitely not a problem

I had to clean the crap out of the bolt after I was getting some light strikes at 20 below.
 
I have welded washers on my ''open''sights converting them to ghost ring peep sights-costs nothing and a huge improvement over the original sights
 
welding a washer to the rear open sight obviously isn't a micrometer sight for precision shooting but it makes a huge improvement to open sights for hunting purposes.I just give it a shot of flat black paint to take the glare off.If you wanted to try it before perminently welding,I would think some expoxy glue would hold it in place long enough to see if it works for you
 
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