Short Carbines, No. 5, Mauser, FR8, Carcano?

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HI
I have developed a strong interest in only collecting short rifles (carbines)
I have a minty No. 5 already
I have my eye for any minty upcoming FR8's on EE
I saw a Mauser mountain gun pic, loved it - Is it the 98a or 33/40 as I see they both look similar. or what is it called in another variant or countries issue.

Are these the same size as above?:
M44 MN or M38
Carcano
any others in same or smaller size? What variants are there. I don't really care which country it comes from as long as it is mintyish.

Thanks for any help
 
Carcano Carbine is definitely the shortest of the shorties, and omiGAWD do they have a muzzle-blast, especially when you shoot 'em with factory ammo. Two-foot fireball with WW stuff from just after the War! Load for them with something fast (IMR-4198, being real careful) and they are quite reasonable.

There is also the Carcano TS model in various configurations and 2 calibres, 6.5 and 7.35. This is the ORIGINAL "Special Forces" rifle: Truppi Speziali: Special Troops! Twenty-one-inch barrel, more wood than the Carbine although it doesn't have that neat-o switchblade bayonet that gor ground off so many Carbines that came to Canada. It does take a nice little knife bayonet. Lotsa fun. The Italians reworked some of these as late as 1956; I have a 1942 that they rebuilt to 'new' that year and it is really pretty. Good shooter, too.

The Mauser Kar98a is also what was called a 98aZ; it is on a small-ring action and actually is a short RIFLE insofar as length is concerned. It is quite handy and light for its length. Made only from 1904 to 1918. With a large-ring action, this was the prototype for the Kar98k, which was the WWII standard German "carbine" although, with a 23-inch barrel it really was a short rifle, same length as the SMLE, although it certanly was short as compared to the old standard Gew. 98.

Kar98b didn't exist, except for a few thousand produced secretly during the 1920s. It was actually the new designation for reworked Gew 98 rifles, but there were a few produced in the 1920s as new rifles. Twenty-nine-inch tube and marked "Kar. 98b" and very sanitary: no date, no manufacturer's marks whatsoever. I have one that came out of Poland somehow.... no idea what might have happened!

If you like REALLY short, try a DESTROYER Carbine: Spanish, eat the 9mm Bergmann-Bayard pistol cartridge out of a 7-round mag. You can make the ammo from 9x23 brass. DESTROYERs came in several versions, including a version that didn't even have a locking lug. Name is not because of their incredible POWERRRRRRR, but was the company's trademark: a little stamping on the receiver ring with the word DESTROYER and a picture of a little 4-stack destroyer! I have a large pipe-wrech here and shortly will be going to visit with a friend who has one..... just persuasion, you understand.

Anyway, hope this is of a little help.
 
My dad and I picked up a Persian manufactured M49 Carbine in 8mm not too long ago. I'm sure our shoulders are going to love us for it..

Steyr M95 carbines in 8x56r seem to have been popping up lately through a few dealers - Tradeex has some I believe. Although the ammo's not easy to come by. It seems like most South American countries bought themselves a batch of FN manufactured Mauser carbines in an assortment of calibres, those come up occasionally too. And that's just the tip of the iceberg really.
 
Carcano Carbines and TSs come in a bewildering variety of variations.
Originally, both were called Model 91 and both were in 6.5x52 and they even had adjustable sights. Then in 1938 Italy changed to the new 7,35x52 cartridge using the .300" 128-grain bullet that looked like a Hornady but wasn't. So they had to have new names for their Carbines and TSs, so they were chambered for the 7.35 and called Model 38s.

Everything was going just wonderfabobbly when Benzino Gasolini (oops! Been watching Charlie Chaplin too much! Alessandra's uncle, you know the guy: Il Duce) got Italy into the Second World War. So the Italian Army was trying to change over to the new calibre right in the middle of this, so they did the logical thing and just gave up, continued the Model 38TS and the Model 38 Carbines in production but in 6.5mm, giving us yet more variants, these with fixed battlesights rather than adjustable sights.

AND their was a special BALILLA carbine as well, a youth-training thingie that used a very special 6.5mm round which I have not been able to score even a single copy of and which is not listed in COTW or almost anywhere else. This was a reduced-size copy of a Carcano Carbine, believe it or not!

The Steyr Carbines can be found in 3 different calibres (8x50R which is the original cartridge, 8x56R30M which a lot of them were converted to in the 1930s and 7.92x57 in the Yugoslav and some other conversions), In addition, you can find them with markings from Steyr and Budapest for manufacture and there also was the 1903 contract for Bulgaria (seemingly made at Steyr and Budapest both), which is more than a bit scarce in rifles and carbines both. And there are variants here, too, with both Cavalry and Pioneers shorties being made. 8x56R30M brass is available from Tradex and LEE makes dies which are available and inexpensive and work. 8x50R is best made by pushing back the shoulder and trimming 7.62x54R Russian brass, which also is available, but dies tend to be expensive.

And be sure to remember the Mauser Kar.'71 on .43 Mauser and the quite rare 71/84 in the same calibre and the 1888 Carbine (really scarce) and the original German Cavalry version, the Kar.'98, made only until 1904, I am told. And there are others, too: most rifles during the 19th and early 20th Centuries had a Carbine version, at least for Cavalry, and that included the Lee-Enfield and Lee-Metfords.

You, my friend, are gonna have one HEAP of shorties!

Have fun!
 
I have a number of carbines in my collection. This can happen if you don't watch what you are doing, so try to get a handle on it.
4 Lee-Enfield No5s
2 Lee-Enfield carbines
2 1895 carbines Spanish
1 Brazilian M1922
1 16/33 Czech
2 G33/40s
1 FN M1924 Mexican
2 or 3 M1 carbines
1 US Krag
2 M38 Mosin-Nagant
2 M44 Mosin-Nagant
1 M91/56 Mosin-Nagant
1 VZ 58
1 SKS
1 Rashid
1 French Fusil 1892
1 Italian 38 Carbine
1 Japanese carbine
1 AR 15 Carbine
1 Parker-Hale 1861 Muskatoon
1 FR-8
1 FR-7
1 1895 Steyr Carbine
I Probably missed a couple.
 
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