Short xcr barrels

[Cory24]

With the xcr's quick change barrel system i was wondering can I get an NR xcr-l, buy a 11" or 12" barrel for range use and keep the 18.6 for in the bush? Does this change the classification of the rifle to restricted permanently if i put a short barrel on it? Or can i register it as restricted put the NR barrel on when i want to go in the bush?

Any info is appreciated as this is really confusing me

 

[cr5]

No you can't, of course it changes the classification.
If you put on a short barrel you now have an unregistered restricted firearm. You have 30 days to register it but you may not shoot it during that time (even at a range).
This is why Wolverine will not sell short barrels as they don't want to see dumbdumb's getting caught with them and risking the classification of the rifle.
You could have the registration changed to make it restricted but as you may or may not know the CFO is not exactly quick about getting things done most of the time. You're looking at a 2-3 month wait between classification changes each way and having to pay a certified firearms verifier to fill out some paperwork each time.

I'm not 100% sure but I think the short barrel requires the pistol upper to fit correctly anyway preventing installation of the pistol barrel in the rifle upper. If you want a pistol length XCR then buy an XCR pistol. Wolverine has lots of them on their website.

 

[Gryphon Energetics]

This is why Wolverine will not sell short barrels as they don't want to see dumbdumb's getting caught with them and risking the classification of the rifle.

An entirely specious argument. There are many firearms commonly available with both short and long barrels that can change the classification - the BRS-99 for example. There is no legal basis for the XCR to become restricted unless it is equipped with one of those short barrels, and then that responsibility lies with the end user.

 

[Canadian_Zuk]

I'm pretty sure the XCR pistol barrels will not fit. Something about the gas system length rings a bell. I think the gas block on the short barrels is closer to the chamber end.

 

[andrew3081]

An entirely specious argument. There are many firearms commonly available with both short and long barrels that can change the classification - the BRS-99 for example. There is no legal basis for the XCR to become restricted unless it is equipped with one of those short barrels, and then that responsibility lies with the end user.

BRS-99 is not quick change barrel firearm?

 

[hbean]

Because the barrels can be swap out in less than a minute, having possession of it, can and will be interpreted as "still exists 30 days after it is made".

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[Gryphon Energetics]

BRS-99 is not quick change barrel firearm?

Shotguns are, however you can have an 18" barreled pistol grip Remington 870 and 12" barrels are readily available which would make the firearm restricted. The Remington 870 is still classified as non-restricted today.

I will admit not being familiar with changing the barrel on a BRS-99 however I am reasonably certain it does not involve a press or other specialized equipment.

The XCR is also not a quick change barrel by definition. It requires tools and a torque wrench to be done properly. It is quicker than an AR-15 for example, but not like the toolless removal of a shotgun barrel.

That said I will defer to Mr. Wolverine's greater experience on the matter, and simply respectfully disagree.

 

[hbean]

Shotguns are, however you can have an 18" barrelled pistol grip Remington 870 and 12" barrels are readily available which would make the firearm restricted. The Remington 870 is still classified as non-restricted today.

Remington 870 is a manual action, so the overall firearm length of 660 mm applies, so you can go as short as a 8" barrel with a full length stock, HOWEVER with a pistol grip the 8" shotgun will fall into the restricted territory.

 

[dogzilla]

This is how the weapons tech at the cfc explained to me. If you put on a short barrel, it becomes restricted and must be registered within a certain time frame (30 days sounds right) during that time you cannot take it to the range. If at a later date you decide to put the longer barrel on it, you can de restrict it (unless of course it's an AR). What she also said was that just putting a longer barrel on it does not automatically de restrict it, you have to actually do the paper work. If you put the longer barrel on it and don't change the classification and take it hunting, you will get charged. (If caught, however unlikely)

 

[Cory24]

Thanks for the info guys shouldent have gotten my hopes up

 

[Gryphon Energetics]

HOWEVER with a pistol grip the 8" shotgun will fall into the restricted territory.

I believe that is precisely what I'd said.

Case in point - the Dominion Arms Grizzly 8.5" comes with an accessory pistol grip in the box, and is still non-restricted.

 

[hbean]

NFA website has a couple article about explaining all this short barrel / overall length landmine.

 

[cr5]

This is how the weapons tech at the cfc explained to me. If you put on a short barrel, it becomes restricted and must be registered within a certain time frame (30 days sounds right) during that time you cannot take it to the range. If at a later date you decide to put the longer barrel on it, you can de restrict it (unless of course it's an AR). What she also said was that just putting a longer barrel on it does not automatically de restrict it, you have to actually do the paper work. If you put the longer barrel on it and don't change the classification and take it hunting, you will get charged. (If caught, however unlikely)

Exactly what I was told when I contacted them about doing this with my ACR and the 12 inch barrel I sold as soon as I got my reply from the CFC firearms tech.

That said I will defer to Mr. Wolverine's greater experience on the matter, and simply respectfully disagree.

I think they could legally sell the short barrel and as stated earlier the correct use and registration is the responsibility of the end user but from what I've read they simply don't trust some of the waterheads in Canada to follow the rules be it intentional or not and the last thing we need is unwanted negative attention brought on another non restricted black rifle and to then lose our freedom to use it as non restricted because of a couple dumbdumbs.
As evidenced by the recurring threads on here asking this same thing almost weekly it seems many of our community were sleeping through the course when they went to get their firearms license or it may simply not be covered as well as it should.
Same goes for the threads asking how to legally store and transport a restricted. These are threads that really should never have needed to be started because it should be common knowledge, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be.

 

[andrew3081]

I believe that is precisely what I'd said.

Case in point - the Dominion Arms Grizzly 8.5" comes with an accessory pistol grip in the box, and is still non-restricted.

Shotguns are not scary black guns and it is most likely not on the hit list for anti guners/liberal government/NDP.
They will not go after shotgun and make them restricted because it just wont work.

The previous government banned Ak47, AUG and restricted Ar15 because they were scary looking.

 

[Gryphon Energetics]

Shotguns are not scary black guns and it is most likely not on the hit list for anti guners/liberal government/NDP.
They will not go after shotgun and make them restricted because it just wont work.

The previous government banned Ak47, AUG and restricted Ar15 because they were scary looking.

That has absolutely zero to do with the discussion at hand. The point is other firearms have short barrels or accessories available that can change their classification yet they remain unaffected. Refusing to import short barrels for the XCR on the basis that they will ALL then be made restricted on a whim is, in my opinion, specious reasoning.

 

[andrew3081]

That has absolutely zero to do with the discussion at hand. The point is other firearms have short barrels or accessories available that can change their classification yet they remain unaffected. Refusing to import short barrels for the XCR on the basis that they will ALL then be made restricted on a whim is, in my opinion, specious reasoning.

That has absolutely everything to do with the discussion. History does not lie.

 

[knock-knock]

IMO the XCR barrel is not "quick change" at all... you'd also have to take a hacksaw to your upper receiver to get a shorter barrel to fit, along with buying a shorter gas system.

As already stated, you gotta notify your big brother when you make such a change, and the classification changes with the barrel swap. Seems troublesome to keep switching back and forth and having constant contact with the CFO/RCMP. I'd rather just shoot a longer barrel.