Should I just withdraw my PAL/RPAL application?

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Officially been one year since I submitted my PAL/RPAL application. I'm beginning to lose hope of ever getting my PAL and am tempted just to withdraw my application at this point.

I had an issue a few years back where someone who thought I was suicidal called the police on me. It was a misunderstanding and the person who reported me now agrees I was never suicidal.

The CFO said I "failed to disclose" my police interaction because I checked off "no" to the question about being reported to the police for violent behaviour. I took it as violence towards others (esp since the question right before was asking about mental health issues and suicide) but apparently it also includes self-harm. So when someone reported me to the police for being suicidal because they mistook something I said, that counts. So, now he's saying I violated the Firearms Act. Yet, everyone (including many cops) I've talked to believe the question is referring to domestic abuse. They were all surprised when to hear that my situation would fall under it.

The CFO laughed in my face when I asked him how to get the record corrected. He said it's impossible and wished me luck.

On top of that, I'm transgender (I live "stealth" which means no one knows). The CFO has made some less than pleasant remarks about my gender and medical transition. 9 years ago, I was misdiagnosed with depression and given anti-depressants. Was on them for less than a year before I was correctly diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder and given the proper treatment.

I've always loved firearms but I'm beginning to think getting a PAL is just not worth it. Does anyone have advice on what I should do? I'm beginning to think the only way I can get my PAL is to lawyer up
 
If you really want to pursue this, it sounds like you're going to have to involve a lawyer. My recommendation would be one who specializes in firearms law. You're in Ontario, so I suggest you look up Ed Burlew and give him a call.
 
Hire a lawyer and get them to call!

Scott
Call the CFO and tell them that you think you're being denied because you're transgender and you're going to contact a lawyer and make a human rights case out of it.

I reckon you'll have your PAL by return mail.
 
Did they officially refuse your application or is still in processing? Dont give up. The system was designed to discourage people from firearms ownership. Dont let them win, especially if they are being particularly hostile towards your individual experiences. Im sure there is a wide spectrum of civil advocates that would like to help fight institutional prejudice on your behalf.
 
Maybe your MP could help you out? Seems you may be experiencing some discrimination possibly. Don't give up.

I have a liberal MP who has publicly voiced his disdain for firearms. He said he'd look into it and get back to me but that was 10 months ago. This was before the transgender topic popped up so maybe now he'll actually look into it.
 
Did they officially refuse your application or is still in processing? Dont give up. The system was designed to discourage people from firearms ownership. Dont let them win, especially if they are being particularly hostile towards your individual experiences. Im sure there is a wide spectrum of civil advocates that would like to help fight institutional prejudice on your behalf.

Still processing. He told me it will take "years" for him to get to my file and recommended me to just withdraw my application. Part of me wishes they'll officially refuse my application so I have something tangible which I can appeal.
 
Still processing. He told me it will take "years" for him to get to my file and recommended me to just withdraw my application. Part of me wishes they'll officially refuse my application so I have something tangible which I can appeal.

I know for a fact that the Human Rights Tribunal will supply a lawyer free of charge if they think that there is a case.

Lawyer and give the CFO a beating. Itll take a while, but not years (expect 12 months IME) and a but of pissing around.
 
Use all the tools in your belt, since LGBTQ is such a hot topic there is nothing wrong with pushing your problem towards discrimination if you feel that is the case!!!!
 
Call them
Ask them for a status and indicate you feel it is oppressively over due and if they do not intend to approve your application to respectfully ask for a denial in writing.

Then get a lawyer and fight the bastards, they will have to pay for your fees anyways if you don't go through the human rights route or something similar
 
...I'm transgender (I live "stealth" which means no one knows). The CFO has made some less than pleasant remarks about my gender and medical transition... Does anyone have advice on what I should do? I'm beginning to think the only way I can get my PAL is to lawyer up

Ontario has a 'human rights' system, charged with enforcing 'human rights', doesn't it? And 'gender identity' is a protected 'human right', isn't it?

The Ontario's human rights system is made up of three separate agencies. The Human Rights Tribunal is where human rights applications are filed and decided. The Human Rights Legal Support Centre gives legal help to people who have experienced discrimination under the Ontario Human Rights Code.

<https://www.hrlsc.on.ca/en/how-guides-and-faqs/human-rights-ontario>

Human Rights Legal Support Centre (HRLSC)

The HRLSC provides free legal assistance to people across Ontario who have experienced discrimination contrary to Ontario’s Human Rights Code, and who may want to file an application to the HRTO.

Human Rights Legal Support Centre
180 Dundas Street West, 8th Floor
Toronto, ON M7A 0A1

Tel: (416) 597-4900
Toll Free: 1-866—625-5179
TTY: (416) 597-4903
TTY Toll Free: 1-866 612-8627
www.hrlsc.on.ca


<http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/about-commission/contact-us>
 
Still processing. He told me it will take "years" for him to get to my file and recommended me to just withdraw my application. Part of me wishes they'll officially refuse my application so I have something tangible which I can appeal.

The email claiming it will years to process what should take 30 days is more than sufficient to be deemed a constructive refusal and proceed with a court challenge.
 
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