Siamese Mauser Receiver/Action

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As the title implies, I am looking for information about my Siamese Mauser Receiver/Action. There is no barrel or stock with it. It is my understanding that these were 8x52mm originally? I have been doing some research into it. I see that this gun is a prime candidate for conversion to 45/70. What is involved with the conversion? Is it just threading on a new barrel?
 
Receiver will need some feed lip work as well. It was originally chambered in a rimmed cartridge, which is why you can set these up for lever gun cartridges more easily than a regular Mauser. So, new barrel, chamber, modify feed lips and throat in receiver, modify magazine box, modify follower. Stock and sight as you would any Mauser. I've seen them in 45-70, 444 Marlin, 38-55 and 405 Win. Interesting projects. - dan
 
Mosquito What Dan has told you is bang on. They were originally the 8x50 R and were later converted to the 8x52R. I have a couple of them. One is still an 8x52R and I make brass from 45-70 cases. They also feed the 7.62x54R cartridge. Some will feed as is and some need the feed rails touched up slightly. The other one I have is a 375/348 Ackley Imp. The bolt face had to be opened up slightly to handle the slightly larger rim on the 348 win cartridge and the feed rails were opened up a little. The slanted magazine limits over-all cartridge length to about 3 inches max.
 
Maybe $150-200 depending on condition? But that's just an uneducated guess.
I don't think a lot of people build customs on military actions any more unless you can do a lot of it yourself.
The costs and trouble finding a gunsmith willing to even do it don't make it easy any more.
 
Are you talking about a complete action with receiver, complete bolt assembly, complete magazine assembly including screws and trigger mechanism?
 
I build my own rifles on M98 actions and it still isn't really economically wise. lol. The Siamese action is a great action and in a bit of a different class as far as whether it's worth it or not. There aren't really options for bolt actions chambered in rimmed cartridges like the .45-70. If you want a bolt gun in an odd rimmed cartridge, this is the way to go.

I have 2 Siamese actions sitting here now and haven't decided what to do with them. I already have one in .45-70 and have been thinking of turning one into a .303 but there are a lot of interesting rimmed cartridges that would be fun to play with.
 
Everyone I know who's built one was either a gunsmith or a reasonably talented amatuer. I'm not saying you couldn't do it, I know a few guys that have built some pretty nice stuff without that background. But it will take a lot of time, money, and effort. On the other hand, it's only a Siamese Mauser, pressure won't be as high. $150-200 seems fair. - dan
 
I have built two 45-70s on the Siamese action. It isn't difficult but let me tell you right off, if you are an impatient or lazy starter non finisher, don't even get past thinking about it.

I am in no way suggesting that you are any of the above by the way.

First off, you can get a stock for it from Boyd's. Now, there is another slight curve. Not all Siamese Mauser actions are the same. Very slight differences between batches. If you're going to try to find a take off milsurp stock send me a PM.

Then you have to decide whether you want to scope the rifle or go with iron sights of one sort or another. The irons work well because you don't have to modify the bridge and receiver or drill and tap, unless of course you are mounting a micrometer type sight.

The bolt face will need to be opened and the extractor claw will need to be ground to fit in some cases.

You will have to source a barrel. There is more to this than meets the eye with such a build. You need to determine the twist rate by what sort of velocities you wish to achieve and which bullets you intend to shoot. Barrels will cost anywhere from $300 to $500 before taxes and shipping.

If you are looking for a very powerful mauler, this action is very capable and extremely strong, supposedly using the same quality steel the Japanese used in their Arisaka actions.

After my experiences with these fine actions, the next build I did on one would likely be in 458Win Mag just to take advantage of the stronger cases. The angled magwell lends itself well to this case as well.

I did see another where the smith used the existing barrel and made up a modified 458/8mm necked case. He had a 458 reamer on its last legs ground to make up the shouldered design. This was in Texas back in the 70s. That rifle kicked like a Mule with that light barrel but velocities were in the 8mm Rem Mag range and it was accurate. This fellow liked to play with such things and had the time/knowledge and equipment to do it well. His wife was a master engraver of both wood and metal.

The 45-70 can be stoked up beyond the endurance of most people so there aren't any flies on it either.

Remember, this is not a WEAK action. It is capable of accepting pressures of almost all modern cartridges that will fit in the magazine which is its only limit.

If you want it to be pretty, it will all need to be polished and blued.

In the end, it would likely be easier and cheaper to buy an already assemble rifle. The last one I sold a few years ago had a tough time bringing $600 in. It was in a well fitting light colored walnut stock, checkered, bedded and satin finished. It was drilled and tapped for a scope and wore a Lyman peep sight as well as a ramped blade front sight. Very nice rifle if I do say so. It shot better than I could hold with 405 grain jacketed and cast bullets. The barrel had a 1-15 twist and with 305 grain bullets it easily gave 2200 fps. The thing was, RECOIL was way beyond my endurance level at that velocity.

I shot a moose with one of the jacketed 405 grain flat point bullets loaded to the nuts at just over 100yds. The bullet hit him low just behind the leg, about 8 inches up from the chest bone. He just stood there shaking for about 10 seconds and collapsed in his tracks.
 
Bearhunter,
The passion with which you write about the possibilities is really inspiring me. I was having thoughts about selling it outright, but I may have to keep it now. It's not costing me anything to hold onto. I'll put it somewhere special for when I do have the time to devote to it. Thanks for the inspiration. :)
 
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