Side berms as backstops - a request for your range rules

it would be hard for us to have side berms the same height as our backstop as it's a mountain. However ours are concrete panels that have been partially covered with dirt to enable the side berm impact thing, as previously outlined with the previous inspector. we aren't asking for the ability to shoot 6ft targets on our side berms, they are lower to the ground in those areas, until we fully bury the walls, if we decide to. As for the issues regarding them possibly not being allowed, I have no idea. there are spots on the concrete walls where people have shot them and surprise, there are marks and divots from where those impacts were, but even the ricochet from them would have gone downrange, the walls did their job. No, it seems to be the new inspectors opinion, or perhaps marching orders, to be as restrictive as possible, at least that's the feeling I got.
 
it would be hard for us to have side berms the same height as our backstop as it's a mountain. However ours are concrete panels that have been partially covered with dirt to enable the side berm impact thing, as previously outlined with the previous inspector. we aren't asking for the ability to shoot 6ft targets on our side berms, they are lower to the ground in those areas, until we fully bury the walls, if we decide to. As for the issues regarding them possibly not being allowed, I have no idea. there are spots on the concrete walls where people have shot them and surprise, there are marks and divots from where those impacts were, but even the ricochet from them would have gone downrange, the walls did their job. No, it seems to be the new inspectors opinion, or perhaps marching orders, to be as restrictive as possible, at least that's the feeling I got.

This is what I’m thinking as well.
 
This is what I’m thinking as well.

Marching orders or not, the obvious qiestion begging to be asked is whats changed?

Physics? No.

The law? No.

Industry best practices? Ha ha no such thing for ranges.

The range itself? Doesnt sound like it?

The range use rules? No.

So whats changed? And why? If it causes a range to incur costs it better have a damn good reason.
 
The unfortunate part is the CFO's have broad powers to administer the Act as they choose. They could claim this to be a newly recognized safety issue and I suspect the claim, which is highly subjective, would be within their powers. I have no idea if it would or would not be but it would be consistent with the way they administer the Firearms Act. Someone gets a burr in their arse and you got new interpretations.

Take Care

Bob
 
We need to organize the action shooting disciplines together nationally to fight this or action shooting will become too restrictive to be fun for competitors and too much of a headache for clubs to permit it. We had a great action shooting community in Saskatchewan but now the Cfo is winning. It started late this past summer with matches having to be approved by the Cfo with 3 months lead time to 6 months and now only " national" matches of significance, meaning local monthly matches are dead unless the club gets its down range safe area extended to the the sides which would require new land use agreements etc. Even indoor Ipsc matches were hit if the roof isn't bullet proof no dynamic movement. Unless we can muster up some political support this will spread across the country.
 
talking with a buddy of mine who's church went through some CRA stuff recently, they have almost 4 million in a bank account, that was not an issue. Nor was any of the stuff mentioned above. They'd simply messed up some GST stuff, once that was sorted all was good. They had a full audit though, and CRA went through everything.
 
Cfo is federal ie answers to PM

In no province does the CFO answer to the prime minister. In 4 provinces the CFOs are provincially appointed, and in the other 6 they are federally appointed by the commissioner of firearms who reports to the commissioner of the RCMP, who reports to the solicitor general.
 
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