When transporting or storing I would assume that the side saddle must be empty yes? If I leave rounds in the side saddle and trigger lock the shotgun while just stored in my trailer is that ok? What about no rounds in mag, side saddle loaded and trigger locked under the rear seat of my truck while drving...?
Side Saddle - Legality question
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JohnC
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no rounds in mag or chamber while traveling/storing. A side saddle is not a magazine. So any rules re storage of ammo together with firearms apply. I think (subject to correction- that if its stored (you're not there) in your trailer with rounds in the sidesaddle that means stored with ammo and that's a nono. but when transporting the pamphlet only says unloaded which means nothing in chamber or magazine
hope this helps. they do seem to keep the rules vague.
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See
http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/storagetransport_e.asp
hope this helps. they do seem to keep the rules vague.
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See
http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/storagetransport_e.asp
Even if trigger locked? When I am camping, the shotgun is in trailer closet with trigger gaurd on, combo, on digit off, no rounds in mag and side-saddle loaded. When traveling, the same, but gun under rear seat, no rounds in mag, trigger lock in place, rounds in side-saddle. If hunting or going to or returning from hunting, then no trigger lock, ammo just in boxes beside on seat.
BigUglyMan
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Yup. It's no different than the old "butt-cuffs" that guys have or having a box of shells next to the gun in the back seat of the truck.
maple_leaf_eh
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According to the 2005 Saskatchewan game synopsis (p5) (http://www.se.gov.sk.ca/fishwild/huntingguide/2005 HUNTING GUIDE.pdf):
It is a HUNTING REGULATION violation to: ...
carry a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle or while on horseback; a rifle or shotgun is deemed loaded when shells are in the magzaine or when a loaded clip is attached to a hinge (sic.) plate or in contact with the firearm."
Without starting a fistfight, during any open big game season (ie. August to December in some provinces) you would have to skate hard to explain yourself. In the other months, you would have to show reasonable grounds for having what is arguably a loaded firearm in your possession. Yes, I can read 'transport' but from where to where and why do you need ammunition ....? As the expression goes, tell it to the judge.
It is a HUNTING REGULATION violation to: ...
carry a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle or while on horseback; a rifle or shotgun is deemed loaded when shells are in the magzaine or when a loaded clip is attached to a hinge (sic.) plate or in contact with the firearm."
Without starting a fistfight, during any open big game season (ie. August to December in some provinces) you would have to skate hard to explain yourself. In the other months, you would have to show reasonable grounds for having what is arguably a loaded firearm in your possession. Yes, I can read 'transport' but from where to where and why do you need ammunition ....? As the expression goes, tell it to the judge.
maple_leaf_eh said:
You make zero sense at all.
A firearm with a sidesaddle attached is not a loaded gun.
A sidesaddle is not a magazine or a 'clip' In fact the 'clip' and 'hinge' part of the regs probably stems from the A-bolt rife. I'd guess that a hunter was arguing that their A-bolt was unloaded since the magazine was only attached to the hinge.
There is nothing to argue about- the firarm isn't loaded. It has ammo attached to the side of it, just lie a buttstock shellholder or a sling with cartridge loops in it.
You can transport an unrestricted fireamr in your lap, with shells in your hand, and you are 100% legal.
It's nobodys business 'why' you are transprting your shotgun, unless you plan on or have engaged in illegal behaviour. Why do you need ammo? Well, a gun is pretty useless without it.
I second that. The magazine of some rifles can hang from the hingeplate that lock it into place....so if you have a loaded mag and its swinging away underneath the action of the gun...yes...loaded...shells stored on the stock are just that....stored..no problem.
So....
If I have a butt sock/cuff and/or a side saddle (same thing in the eyes of the law?) that has live rounds in it, even with trigger lock on, I cannot transport as such with empty mag tube?? The shells need to be apart correct. Storage as such is also Verbotten correct?
If I have a butt sock/cuff and/or a side saddle (same thing in the eyes of the law?) that has live rounds in it, even with trigger lock on, I cannot transport as such with empty mag tube?? The shells need to be apart correct. Storage as such is also Verbotten correct?
Correct me if I'm wrong, (wouldn't 100% trust anything unless it came from one of the admins that seem to know -everything- about this stuff), but I've always thought that as long as there's nothing in the tube or chamber, the shotgun's "unloaded" and other than that it doesn't matter where the shells are if you're just transporting. Storing's more of a pain...
Having a sidesaddle with some shells in it while transporting would be the same as having a box of shells duct-taped to the gun, wouldn't it? (wow, what a stupid analogy...
) They're not IN the gun as such, so transport would be cool...
Having a sidesaddle with some shells in it while transporting would be the same as having a box of shells duct-taped to the gun, wouldn't it? (wow, what a stupid analogy...
) They're not IN the gun as such, so transport would be cool...
I do it all of the time, I also store my gun with the butt caddy loaded, as long as it is stored in a vault or "room designed for storing firearms" it is perfectly legal.
And for God's sake, take that damn trigger lock off while transporting ... it just gets in the way.
And for God's sake, take that damn trigger lock off while transporting ... it just gets in the way.
JohnC
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
echo4lima said:
Even though he CFO's tell you one thing- the provincial fish & game laws will probably be tighter(but may be looser on some cases). For instance, under federal firearms law you can have the firearm on the seat besides you at night going home but under Ontario game laws if there is game around, the firearm must be encased at night.
echo4lima said:
Dude, your question has been answered many times...
In British Columbia:
Transport with side saddle full of shells and no trigger lock, unloaded magazine and chamber- legal
Transport in unattended vehicle with side saddle full of shells and no trigger lock, unloaded magazine and chamber, firearm out of sight or locked in trunk- legal
Storage in a locked container, with side saddle full of shells and no trigger lock, unloaded magazine and chamber- legal
Storage with trigger lock only- ammunition must no tbe readily available, so the side saddle is out.
These laws apply wherever you ar ein the country under The Firearms Act but some provinces have ridiculous game laws that require you to transport your gun in a case, etc. Fortunately, in BC, we have no irrational laws such as that.
From the Quebec Hunting regs:sixty9santa said:
It is prohibited to:
to be in or on any kind of motorized
land vehicle, aircraft or trailer drawn
by a motor vehicle, and:
- at any time, to be in the possession
of an armed crossbow or a
firearm containing a live cartridge
in the chamber, the loader or the
magazine if the latter is attached
to the firearm, or a muzzle-loaded
firearm containing powder, a ball
and a detonator in the shaft, or
powder in the pan;
- to shoot with a firearm, a crossbow
or a bow from that vehicle,
aircraft or trailer;
- at night, to be in the possession
of an unloaded firearm, an unarmed
crossbow or a bow unless
these arms are stored in a closed
case, or stored in the trunk of the
vehicle or the baggage compartment
of the aircraft.
http://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/english/...hunting-regulations/printed-version/index.asp
Gatehouse said:Dude, your question has been answered many times...
In British Columbia:
Transport with side saddle full of shells and no trigger lock, unloaded magazine and chamber- legal
Transport in unattended vehicle with side saddle full of shells and no trigger lock, unloaded magazine and chamber, firearm out of sight or locked in trunk- legal
Storage in a locked container, with side saddle full of shells and no trigger lock, unloaded magazine and chamber- legal
Storage with trigger lock only- ammunition must no tbe readily available, so the side saddle is out.
These laws apply wherever you ar ein the country under The Firearms Act but some provinces have ridiculous game laws that require you to transport your gun in a case, etc. Fortunately, in BC, we have no irrational laws such as that.
Sorry, and thanks Gatehouse, your synopsis was what I was looking for, all angles covered, clear and concise...mucho grassy-ass.....Although, just to add a facet to this,
If I am camping, and the shotgun is in the trailer, is it considered storage? hence unloaded? Or should it be left in the truck with side saddle full and can assume it is considered in "Transport mode" vs storage??
echo4lima said:
That is likely open to interpretation but in my opinion it is not in storage as long as it is under your supervision.
BUT having sadi that if you are in a location where it is legal to fire a firearm and require the firearm for nuissance control, you may keep it unlocked anyway Although tecnically ammo is to be stored separately.
