Sight Picture Question: 1911

VanMan said:
The front sight blade on the Targetmaster is pretty tall - so I'm wondering if it is supposed to stick up above the rear sights? Or should I be adjusting the Aristocrat rear sights back to sight picture 4?
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Adjust the sights to get a picture like #4.
 
Thanks all for the fast feedback. Was worried that sight picture #5 would be the norm, and then I'd have to figure a way to cut a horizontal reference line into the back of the front sight blade. A steady hand with a needle file and then some white paint may have done it, but I would have been really bummed out if it didn't turn out right.

I'll be heading back out to the range on the weekend so I'll try to adjust it back to sight picture #4 at 10 yards. Once I have that dialed in, will be fun to see what I can do at 25 & 50 yards, but I'll need to go to another range for that.
 
1 for most everything. But the diagram is incorrect. For #1 you want to leave some white under the aiming mark. If the front sight touches the black you have black on black and can lose elevation control.

#1 is the most accurate for a bullseye shoot. The big advantage of it for figure targets ( no big aiming mark) is that it allows you to see the entire part of the target you want to hit. #2 obscures part of your target.
 
Ganderite said:
1 for most everything. But the diagram is incorrect. For #1 you want to leave some white under the aiming mark. If the front sight touches the black you have black on black and can lose elevation control.

#1 is the most accurate for a bullseye shoot. The big advantage of it for figure targets ( no big aiming mark) is that it allows you to see the entire part of the target you want to hit. #2 obscures part of your target.
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The problem with #1 is that it's really only works for targets that have consistently-sized black rings. If you move to a target with smaller or larger rings (or no rings at all) your aiming point is less precise.
 
Bobby and The Devil said:
I was shooting like #3 for the longest time since I thought you were supposed to line up the dots on your target. It hadn't even occurred to me that #2 was more "correct" until I saw the range officer demo that at our range's open house. My accuracy increased dramatically after that.
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Same thing here. I was using #3 until someone suggested me #2. My groups were way better and consistent. It's because it's easier to aim at the exact same place. You have an visual mark to align with.
 
Beretta 92

I realize that this thread is about 1911 handguns, but which sight picture would be best for a Beretta 92 for bullseye at 10 - 15 meters?

When I first started shooting I was taught to use site picture #1, but I have since read elsewhere that the Beretta has "combat" sights, and one should use site picture #3. When I shoot the Beretta my shots are nicely grouped but low. This could be me of course and not be about the sight picture.

Should I use sight picture #3, or just work on my technique more? Any thoughts?
 
Ganderite said:
#1 is the most accurate for a bullseye shoot. The big advantage of it for figure targets ( no big aiming mark) is that it allows you to see the entire part of the target you want to hit. #2 obscures part of your target.
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With my Trojan and CZ Shadow, I put on the Dawson Fibre Optic front sight. Really makes aiming against a dark object much easier. But I do notice that it obscures the target a bit, and the front sight blade of the Target Master even more so. There are 3 elevation settings on the Aristrocat rear sight - so I may try adjusting to sight picture 1, 2 and 3 and then see what gives me more consistent results. Will be my first time adjusting these (or any) sights. Does anyone have any tips or tricks? eg 1 turn of the set screw = 2" at 10 yards .....
 
Holy cow man, just take it to the range, sit at a bench, rest your arms, hands on a bag, shoot at a target at 10 yds or so, observe bullet hole, aim exact same place you did last time, shoot again, observe bullet hole, note whether you want the bullet hole to go up or down to meet the place you were aiming, if you want it to go up then turn the back sight adjustment screw down a full turn which will raise the rear sight, shoot again, aiming at the exact same place, note bullet impact, it should be higher than it was before, keep adjusting as necessary. It really is super easy. Give it a try. At 10 yards you will want point of aim with sight adjustment screw #1.
 
redryder said:
Holy cow man, just take it to the range, sit at a bench, rest your arms, hands on a bag, shoot at a target at 10 yds or so, observe bullet hole, aim exact same place you did last time, shoot again, observe bullet hole, note whether you want the bullet hole to go up or down to meet the place you were aiming, if you want it to go up then turn the back sight adjustment screw down a full turn which will raise the rear sight, shoot again, aiming at the exact same place, note bullet impact, it should be higher than it was before, keep adjusting as necessary. It really is super easy. Give it a try. At 10 yards you will want point of aim with sight adjustment screw #1.
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lol - ok my engineering/gadget side is showing a little bit. Was mentioning earlier I was going to try setting up sight picture #1, #2, and #3 on the 3 pre-sets available on the Aristocrat rear sights. Was thinking to use a reference point to reduce the variables in seeing which sight picture works better for me under various shooting conditions.

It's funny, with the CZ Shadow and Trojan, I'm more into shooting and having some fun. But with the Targetmaster, it feels like I expect more from myself when shooting it. :)
 
VanMan said:
lol - ok my engineering/gadget side is showing a little bit. Was mentioning earlier I was going to try setting up sight picture #1, #2, and #3 on the 3 pre-sets available on the Aristocrat rear sights. Was thinking to use a reference point to reduce the variables in seeing which sight picture works better for me under various shooting conditions.

It's funny, with the CZ Shadow and Trojan, I'm more into shooting and having some fun. But with the Targetmaster, it feels like I expect more from myself when shooting it. :)
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I think this is pretty common. Sometimes you just ask yourself wtf am I doing? It's just figuring out what works. Keep at it, but keep track of what's happening as you do it.
 
It really depends on the type of shooting. For action shooting I want my guns to shoot off the top of the blade, like your two, but if they shoot like three, thats ok.

If i'm shooting for grouping on a bullseye target and my pistol has adjustable sights i will set it up for a 6 oclock hold on the black, off set to put impact on the x ring, as this will allow a far more consistent sight picture at longer ranges.

There isn't really a best, but if i had to have all my pistols sighted in one way, it would be your example #2
 
Cocked&Locked said:
It really depends on the type of shooting. For action shooting I want my guns to shoot off the top of the blade, like your two, but if they shoot like three, thats ok.

If i'm shooting for grouping on a bullseye target and my pistol has adjustable sights i will set it up for a 6 oclock hold on the black, off set to put impact on the x ring, as this will allow a far more consistent sight picture at longer ranges.

There isn't really a best, but if i had to have all my pistols sighted in one way, it would be your example #2
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Got out to the range over the weekend and spent some time playing with sight pictures #1 and #2 on my Targetmaster. My experience was bang on what Cocked&Locked mentioned. I could group much more accurately/repeatably with sight picture #1. But thinking about it, I believe sight picture #1 will be more affected by target distance. If you look at the diagram I sketched up below, I can adjust my sights to target distance A for both sight picture #1 and #2. But if the targets move back to target distance B - without readjusting my sights both sight pictures would give me some error, but sight picture #1 would be off by ~50% more. Please keep in mind that it's a quick sketch and not to scale. Could work out the math, but can't find my scientific calculator.

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So net is, I'm gonna shoot sight picture #2 on my Shadow and Trojan as the sights pretty much came setup that way from the factory. And I'm going to use sight picture #1 on my Targetmaster and just adjust the 3 Aristocrat rear sight presets to 10, 25 and 50 yards.

Okay, that's enough gun geekdom for now. Got to get in more range time just for having fun!
hmmmmmm, if I factor in trajectory profile ....:rolleyes:
 
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