Sights or my trigger press?

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Hey everyone. New to pistols. I picked up a glock 17 a month or so ago. First trip out to the range, I was shooting wayyy high and left. So I Did a lot of dry firing, a few more trips to the range putting it on paper. As of the last trip, here is where I'm at.

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Do you guys think I should get some adjustable sights, or keep working on my trigger control? These were shot at around 10m.

Thanks in advance fellas.

Oh, the 17 is out of the box stock btw.
 
Sorry but you are likely gonna get stomped on here I bet.

How many rounds through the pipe?
Looks like you are doing pretty good for just starting out with pistols IMHO.
 
Having the same issues myself. I suspect that it is the Glock trigger to which we have not yet been able to adjust. I don't have these issues with a CZ or M&P.

A 3.5 lb connector and a lighter firing pin spring have not made a significant difference. I'm working on more trigger time and have seen my groups coming more on centre over the last few shoots.
 
Try getting a little more of your trigger finger onto the trigger. IE trigger closer to the first joint. I think you will see an instant improvement. Pull that trigger straight back.
 
For 10m the groups are a nice size. You're not up to bullseye match shooting YET but you've clearly got a nice flinch free trigger break. So you're gold on that aspect.

The groups are all consistently the same distance to the left. To me that says you need to double check that the gun is sitting centered and naturally aligned with your forearm when in your grip. The next thing it could be is that you simply need to shift your trigger finger in further so the trigger rests a little closer to your last joint instead of right on the end pad. And finally check that most of your trigger finger motion is hinged more from the first joint out instead of from the knuckle joint.

The reason for all this about the trigger finger is that it's fairly typical to have the gun jump to the left like this due to side pressure from the trigger finger. Generally once you know what to look for you can see this side jump in the sight picture during dry firing. But as a new shooter you may think that the side kick is just rattle from the trigger break. But it's not and that very slight sideways kick at the break translates to around that much side action. The good news is that all it takes to move the group over that much at 10M is that slight shift of the trigger finger or that slight modification of how your trigger finger pivots.

As always, of course, it's nice if you can have a known good shooter try the gun. It's always possible that it might be the sights that need a little adjustment. But truthfully I've yet to see an out of the box fixed sight gun that needed any windage correction. Elevation change to match ammo yes. But never a windage change. It likely does happen but mostly I'd suspect the shooter first before the sights.
 
Also a suggestion is try your dry firing with the muzzle about an inch away from a nice white flat wall. It will help show up any movement of that front sight as the trigger breaks.
 
Thanks for the input guys.

Leadhammer, I may be new to pistols, but I've been on here long enough that I was expecting to get flamed lol. I've probably got 300-400 rounds through it so far. Roughly 50-150 rounds per trip to the range.

Redryder, thanks for the tip. Coming from mostly rifle shooting, I'm used to having the pad of my finger doing the work. I'll try to put it closer to the joint.

BCrider, I've been trying to be more concentrated on pulling straight back the last few trips. Dry firing helped a ton, at first I was almost losing the front sight as the trigger broke haha. Now I've got it down to little to no movement when I concentrate hard. I just have to transfer it over to live fire.

Thanks for the help guys, looks like more range time and dry firing till I get this dialled in!
 
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