Skinner Scout Rail

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Anyone have one of these on a ruger or preferably a Tikka (might be different weights) ?

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What height rings do you need to clear the rear aperture?

How does it work with the short sight plane for accuracy with irons?

How much do they weigh?
 
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What size of scope are you using? I have a similar rail on a scout rifle with a 2-7x32 scope on it, I had to use med rings to get the front bell of the scope to clear the rail. If there was no front bell I likely would have been able to use low rings as the rear ocular bell if rearward of the rear peep of the rail, it has a fair amount of eye relief as well.

Even with med rings I had to cut away part of the front scope cap in order to get it on the front, it’s that close to the rail.
 
Clearing the rear aperture on that set-up is very similar to doing the same thing on a Marlin SBL, or even on any rifle with an exposed hammer like many break-open single shots. I always find that raising the scope high enough to clear that rear aperture or hammer just makes it very uncomfortable to use without a raised cheekpiece, and it messes up the balance severely.

Maybe consider finding a scope with enough eye relief to mount low, right in front of the aperture. It allows a nice cheek weld and is better balanced; depends a lot on your physical build and shooting stance. I have gibbon arms and a long neck, and I find that a few scopes, usually lower-powered ones, can be mounted like that. It means that the aperture is visible in the bottom of the field of view, but I find it's easy to ignore after you get used to it.

Some so-called "scout" scopes can be mounted like that, and many scopes designated as "shotgun" scopes work as well. I have a couple of Leupold compact 2.5x scopes that aren't quite ideal but very close, and the Leupold variable scouts are very good also.

When shooting at game, the rear aperture is completely forgotten, much like the blast and recoil go completely unnoticed. In this pic, you can see how I could have used rings that were very slightly higher and would have allowed the scope to be moved back another 1/2 or 3/4 inch, but I prefer the low rings even though they forced the mounting position to be slightly further forward as shown. The eyepiece bell of the Leupold 2.5x is so close to the front beveled edge of the aperture base that a piece of paper just fits in between them. I also have a Leupold variable "scout" scope...1.5-4.5x, I think...that can be mounted in just the same spot. I can switch them back and forth using Weaver rings as shown (return to zero within about 1MOA) or proper QD's (even better return to zero) and find it's a very versatile set-up.
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The front sight on the rail is good as a back-up, but the sight radius is pretty short and it's difficult to shoot the gun as well as you could with a longer radius, i.e. a sight at the muzzle. A red-dot on a QD mount can be sighted-in ahead of time, removed and carried in a pocket, and quickly mounted if needed in the field. You can even mount the red dot in non-QD rings on a 45-degree angled base at the front of the rail and leave it there all the time; just rotate the gun counter clockwise slightly (if you shoot right-handed) and it's right there...but it increases bulk and width of the whole package and I'm not in love with that plan.
 

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Plan would be a 2.5x leupold ultralight or 2x20 burris mounted exactly like the one above. That closer mounting is my preference for scout scopes as well, not super far forward.

Maybe an aimpoint or knockoff

Just daydreaming about one more crack at a scout rifle build at this point

Would love to hear from someone who has one of these. Wish they made them out of alloy though
 
I built two with the same Skinner rail, a Ruger American Rimfire and a Ruger American Ranch AR. The American Rimfire required me to grind down and blue the front A2 sight so I could zero with Stingers, no biggie. It's running a Leupold M8 and quite happy with Leupold QRW Lows. The Ranch on the other hand needed QRW mediums to clear the front sight. As both of those have a forward mounted scope, no issues with the rear sight. I can tell you that with the Ranch at first I had a Riton x3 Tactix LPVO, and it required AR height rings to clear the rear sight. Felt all wonky so I committed to the scout scope setup and I haven't looked back, both are great shooters and practical bush rifles.
 
Plan would be a 2.5x leupold ultralight or 2x20 burris mounted exactly like the one above. That closer mounting is my preference for scout scopes as well, not super far forward.

Maybe an aimpoint or knockoff

Just daydreaming about one more crack at a scout rifle build at this point

Would love to hear from someone who has one of these. Wish they made them out of alloy though
Peep sight base on the rail, rear peep sight, and front are all steel. Rail itself is aluminum. My gunsmith had to relieve some material on the rail to get it to fit well on the American Rimfire.
 
Is the front sight that tiny post at the front end of the rail? Looks functional, but...somebody really, really needs to offer a simple easily-installed front sight for the American rifles. It would give a much longer sight radius for easier shooting, and frankly would look much better.

Don't the Americans only come in two barrel diameters? Or do the various lengths and chamberings result in a bunch of different muzzle diameters, which might complicate a front sight mounting system?

If I could find an easy DIY front sight, preferably without requiring D/T'ing the barrel, I'd love to put it on one of my Rugers, together with that scout rail in the first post but with the front sight post removed.
 
Skinner has a one piece front sight for the ruger american
Thanks! I hadn't seen that item before; but, sadly, past experience has shown me that drilling/tapping the muzzle end of a light barrel is not a DIY for me. I do not speak of it! :(

I have a Nodak front sight on a 10/22 heavy barrel that would be ideal if it came in an interior diameter that would fit the American. The thing is a barrel-band with integral sight...would be even better if it had a dovetail to allow interchangeable blades and inserts...and is made extra secure by simply drilling a dimple into the barrel and installing a setscrew, as well as loctiting the whole thing in place. It's withstood many thousands of rounds of .22lr, and I believe would be sufficient for centerfire as well.

Living rural...even the simplest gunsmith job entails paying for shipping at least the barrel round-trip to the 'smith on top of his charges, plus the waiting time...just not worth it on a project on a cheap gun, at least for me. And it loses the charm of being DIY...at least for me.


I’ve built a couple, but I wanted a Scout. Low rings work well on this set up with Burris 2.75x IER scopes. The peeps work well enough for 100m.
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Those ^ are nice, I always thought the American would be a great basis for a scout rifle. :)
 
You could try black loctite, it works, but personally I'm too ham handed to do it right

I feel you on the smith thing, I have a couple guns that need very simple iron sight fixes and I don't want to give them to some Bubba (including myself) or pay to ship them for such cheap fixes
 
Nice set-up and nice deer! :)

Does that rail attach strictly to the receiver, or do you drill and tap the barrel to screw down the forward extension as well?
I had to have the barrel drilled and tapped in addition to using the receiver scope mounting holes.
 
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