SKS Carbine Para? (lots of pics)

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I have an opportunity to purchase this little SKS Carbine.
I don't know much about these things so bear with me.
She is not a Norinco
All parts are milled - not stamped

Inscribed on the left side of the receiver
7.62X39mm SKS MADE IN CHINA BTC SEM CA

Barrel is inscribed
C&A VA BCH VA

Barrel is 16.5" - Restricted
I'm guessing Chinese State Arsenal Paratrooper Carbine?

Rifle is otherwise completely unblemished with the exception of some very light surface rust on the dust cover. Stock has a rubber buttpad that was varnished over by the arsenal that built it.

Missing the bayonette and the mag is not original.
Rare in Canada?
How much would you be willing to pay for her?
Let me know what you think

HI RES PIC

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Looks like she's not a huge collector after some internet research. :(
Still way cool though.

Paratrooper: A sleekly modified version of the SKS who's prominent feature is a shortened barrel. Although it has a military sounding name, this type of SKS is strictly commercial and was never issued as a military rifle. Paratroopers are just as accurate as they were when they were full sized military rifles, but the shortened barrel negatively impacts muzzle velocity so the projectile will loose some of it's energy downrange. The barrel shortening technique was pioneered by Midwest Ordinance. They invited representatives from China Jin An to the US to learn the process and before long, they started making the paratroopers China. The bayonet from a full sized SKS can fit on a paratrooper, but is too long to fold so it must stay extended. Shorter bayonets have been made for this popular commercial variant, but they're so short it's almost silly looking when extended. It could put an eye out, but that's about all a paratrooper bayonet can do!

From simonov.net/
 
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This is exactly what I use for hunting. With 16.5 inch barrel I still can get pretty decent group at 100 meters and hit the target at 200 meters. I think that's pretty good enough for hunting in coastal rain forest. I have nothing to complain about a 140 dollar carbine.
 
rollingrock said:
This is exactly what I use for hunting. With 16.5 inch barrel I still can get pretty decent group at 100 meters and hit the target at 200 meters. I think that's pretty good enough for hunting in coastal rain forest. I have nothing to complain about a 140 dollar carbine.
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How can you use a restricted firearm for hunting?:confused:
 
Rollingrock FYI
The SKS with the 16.5" barrel is restricted and requires an ATT to bring it to the Range. You certainly are not allowed to be hunting with it.

LESS THAN 18.5"/470mm BARREL LENGTH RULES:

CC s. 84(1) "restricted firearm" (b): If a firearm has a barrel length less than 18.5"/470mm AND is centrefire AND is semi-automatic, that combination forces the firearm into the "restricted firearm" class. In such a case, IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW THE BARREL ARRIVED AT THAT LENGTH. The rule is the same regardless of how it ARRIVED at the too-short length -- but note carefully that this rule is overridden by the rule just below if the barrel is SHORTENED BY CUTTING IT DOWN OR BY SUBSTITUTION to less than 18"/457mm. That is a case of "the specific overrides the general."

Therefore, a Browning Auto-5 or Remington Model 11-87 shotgun with an 18-5/8"/474mm barrel is non-restricted. Cut the barrel to 18-1/4"/464mm and it becomes a "restricted firearm." Cut it again -- to 17-7/8"/454mm -- and it becomes a "prohibited firearm." It is amazing how cutting 3/8"/10mm rings off its barrel changes the basic character of the firearm, with less than an inch of overall length change!

If you then refit the firearm with a 20" barrel, it becomes a non-restricted firearm again. It doesn't HAVE to make sense, it's GOVERNMENT POLICY.

LESS THAN 18"/457mm BARREL LENGTH RULES:

CC s. 84(1) "prohibited firearm" (d): If the barrel has been SHORTENED to less than 18"/457mm, after leaving the factory, "by sawing, cutting or ANY other alteration or modification" that forces the firearm into the "prohibited firearm" class.

NOTE: The firearm is NOT forced into the "prohibited firearm" class if it left the factory with the barrel at below-18"/457mm barrel length. For example, a .22 rimfire semi-auto 30-shot rifle with a 9-3/4" barrel, a .410 single-shot shotgun with an 11-3/4" barrel, 12-gauge pump-action shotguns with 14" barrels, a .22 rimfire pump-action rifle with a 17-7/8" custom barrel and a .223 calibre rifle with a 14" barrel -- AND ALL OF THEM ARE NON-RESTRICTED. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY EITHER LEFT THE FACTORY WITH THOSE BARRELS, OR WERE FITTED WITH FACTORY- OR CUSTOM-MADE BARRELS IN THOSE LENGTHS AT SOME LATER DATE, and were NEVER fitted with a longer barrel. One left the factory with NO barrel, and so a 14" barrel could be legally fitted.
 
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im sure rollingrock is confused about the length of his sks cos i have seen pic of it on cgn and its looks like a reg sks.
 
My bad...I didn't pay attention to the length of barrel in the first post. Mine isn't that short, but other descriptions match. My hunting SKS's barrel is shorter than regular ones for sure, I guess it's either 18 or 20 inch. Thanks Riflechair! :) Oh btw, my SKS was inspected by a CO before, so I'm pretty sure it's good for hunting. :D
 
I have seen them advertised in the US. They were made up for commercial sale there, were not used by the PLA. Because of the restricted status in this country, I suspect demand would not be great. Might command a bit of premium as a novelty.
rollingrock - lets assume that your SKS has the standard 20" barel. If its 18" its too short to be non-restricted.
 
tiriaq said:
I have seen them advertised in the US. They were made up for commercial sale there, were not used by the PLA. Because of the restricted status in this country, I suspect demand would not be great. Might command a bit of premium as a novelty.
rollingrock - lets assume that your SKS has the standard 20" barel. If its 18" its too short to be non-restricted.
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My CFC registration form says it's non-restricted, and I compared this SKS with another one, it is shorter. It is said that the reason why this one can't get a bayonet on is the barrel length.
 
Riflechair said:
Missing the bayonette and the mag is not original.
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your sks still needs a bayo, you can get a short 11" from the US for under $10 +ship but i suspect that might still be an inch too long so you might have to do some grinding.

i havent seen a para up here but there are lots in the US and they sell for US$250-350.
 
Yes she is a Norinco.
And yes I have seen/handled them.

Like "the rancher", the "D" model, and a few others the "paratrooper" is a modern commercial bubbah job on a original military rifle.

They converted a bunch back in the 80's, and 90's only for the commercial market.

The Chinese never issued this rifle in their military in this "para trooper" form.
Para troopers where given full sized rifles (usually AK types), or these type 85's instead...
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http://www.simonov.net/ubertypes.htm

So nice rifle, but pay accordingly.
 
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They're around, C&A VA is the US importer, Century Arms (?). I wouldn't pay more than $260 for a commercial grade SKS. Gun shows usually have these going for over $400 for their "tactical elite Vietcong sniper" appearance.
 
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