Slugging the bore?

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Hi all,

Can someone explain to me how it's done. I read scary stories about guys having slugs stuck in the barrel, broken rods etc etc just to end up at the gunsmith for a fix.

I know it's to determine the exact bore diameter but what are you using and what is the right technique to "slug the bore"? :confused:

Thanks
 
Bore slugging

Not difficult provided you have the right basic tools.

Go to Can Tire and look where they have a selection of various metal rods. Find a brass rod that is slightly smaller than your bore size. They are usually in 3 foot lengths. When you get it home cut a short length ( 4-6")off. This will be your starter tool. File the ends of the two rods square with a slight chamfer around the perimeters. I like to build the long rod up with masking tape at about 6" intervals along its length to just under bore diameter to prevent deflection of the rod against the lands.

Get some pure lead (if it's soft enough to mark easily with your fingernail it will be fine) egg sinkers that are a bit larger than groove diameter. Buckshot of various sizes may also be used for some calibers.Cut the wire loop out of the sinkers.

Clean your bore thoroughly , you don't want to be pushing any dust or grit down the bore.

Give the bore a good coat of lubricant. I use RCBS case sizing lube for this job but any good oil will work.

Using the short piece of rod and a mallet get the sinker started down the bore. Lead will be shaved off the slug as it is sized by the barrel. Remove the short rod and continue with the long rod until the lead drops out the chamber. Protect the lead slug from damage when it falls clear as it will distort or flatten if it hits something hard.

If a bore is slick you can usually push the long rod slowly through by hand which is desirable as you can then feel for tight or loose points in the bore. These latter are not uncommon to find particularly in lever guns which have varying numbers of dovetails cut into the barrel to receive sights, magazine tube retainers etc. Any time you think you hit a spot with varying tightness mark the rod with a felt pen at the muzzle so you can relate it accurately to points along the barrel.

Measure the slug with a micrometer being careful not to apply too much anvil pressure to the slug. If you have a barrel with a 3 or 5 land bore take the slug to a machine shop for measurement as you can't measure it directly with a micrometer.

I have also used hardwood dowels but after having a too close diameter dowel swell from the oil in the bore to a jam fit - couldn't believe wood could respond to absorption and swelling that quickly- . Net result was having to dissemble the lever action and drive the dowel and slug out with a brass rod and don't think I wasn't sweating that one. The dowel had very shallow land marks on it for 12" of its length but it was enough to stop it cold.
 
stocker,

Many thanks, well explained. I will attempt this on my Marlin sometimes next week.
I guess, the only reason someone would want to know the exact bore size is to shoot cast bullet that you resize at the bore diameter or is there other usage related to it?

Meaning, is it something I need to know if I cast some lead bullet for my 45-70 and resize them using a LEE sizing die .457dia http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/cart.cgi?1150484376.430=90057 or is it unnecessary in my case?

Thanks
 
Splatter said:
I'd think sizing the bullets .459 or .460 would give you better results thn .457, especially if it's a microgroove barrel.

That's what I have on my Marlin, a microgroove barrel.

I have cast 200 x 340gr with a LEE bullet mold 457-340-F. The bullets mesure +- (.458 ) dia.
Should I try them without sizing and see the result? On LEE web site, they don't have a .458 or .459dia sizing die, the only one for the 45-70 is a .457 sizing die.
Also using there LEE mold, they claim that most bullet cast won't need to be resized.. .. I guess I will need to test and see.

Thanks
 
If you can shoot them "as cast" that's ideal, especially if you are casting them from quenched wheelweights. I've read that working the hardened lead in the die actually softens it.
 
There's a couple links here on slugging a bore.
For a Mosin Nagant though...
http://www.surplusrifle.com/reloading/slug/
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSlug.htm
 
Paul T: Cast bullets are generally best used larger than actual groove diameter. Rifles vary a bit in their preferences but I usually start with a cast bullet .002 larger than groove diameter. I use a lubri sizer to lube bullets and try to keep a variety of sizes of bullet sizing dies on hand for each caliber I cast for. I prefer to hunt with unhardened bullets for the most part but also oven harden some bullets for a particular usage. I have not been happy to date with water dropped hardening and abandoned it in favor of the oven method. A lot depends on what you want the bullet to do in terms of velocity and ultimately expansion.

The alloy in the bullet and the lubricant you use can both be a factor in getting desired performance.

In my experience gas checked bullets are a little less fussy than plain based bullets. Which is to say I definitely want a plain base bullet to be larger than groove by a full .002.

Casting for revolvers is a whole different kettle of fish as you are contending with both cylinder throat dimensions and bore dimensions.

Micro groove barrels can shoot cast very well but may be a little harder to find the ultimate bullet diameter. You could take a trip to the Beartooth Bullets web site as the host has played with them quite a bit and has some good info available.
 
For cast bullets you usually want to get 1 thou. over the actual bore size, if it is smaller than bore you will get leading guaranteed. I have had some success with actual size but that was on a rare occasion. My oven temp doesn't work that well and varies by about 75 degree's between on and off and so for me it is a act in futility. It actually made the metal softer when I squeezed a oven bullet with a water dropped one the oven always dented first. According to other sources you want the temp to be 20 deg. just under the melting point of the lead and so for most people it is not do able in there oven. Give it a try and see if your oven is that good. For big rifle bullets I just mix min to lino hardness and water quench right out of the mold and I can shoot mine to 2000 fps with no leading and of course the lube helps also. My 2 cents worth.
 
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