Small Arms of WWII

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I'm doing a little research and could use some help from you guys.

Does anyone know where I can find info on how may of each type of firearm were fielded by US and German armed forces during WWII?

I'm also trying to find out how was it determined who was issued what type of firearm?

e.g. Most enlisted men were issued either the Garand or the K98k, so what requirements did you need to be issued a Thompson SMG or a MP40?
 
Garand, just short of 6 million from 1936 through 1954. Big, heavy, rugged, reliable..... and not all that popular because of its weight. Standard infantry rifle WW2 and Korea, used extensively in Viet-Nam and about two dozen other places.

M-1 Carbine, just over 6 million produced during WW2. This was small, short, lightweight and what everybody wanted. A lot of them "stuck to the truck" in various ways. Air-dropped in large numbers into Occupied Denmark (I know for sure) and other places. Originally designed as a replacement weapon for truck-drivers, clerks and so forth who previously would be issued a pistol that they couldn't hit anything with, they got to the front in very large numbers. Unfortunately, they didn't have a heck of a lot of punch and quite a few guys who traded in the heavy, bulky Garand for the little Winchester..... ended up swapping the cute little Winchester for a big, ugly Garand that put the Bad Guys down for the count with one round rather than a full mag.

Thompson production was well over a million.

Reising production was just over 111,000 and it was a far better gun than most of the reviews would tell you.

Fritz used the Kar 98k as his main rifle, but also built close to a million Kar 43s and also used every rifle he could get his hands on. It was a major effort just to ensure that rifles actually at the Front were all in 7.92x57 calibre!

German military was very machine-gun heavy by our standards. They regarded the rifle as more a morale-booster than anything else; the actual killing was done by well-entrenched MG positions operating in cross-fire proximity. That's what all those 42s and 34s were about, but they were still using Maxim 1908 and 1908/15 guns in the Battle of Berlin.

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Usually you break things down to the squad level (10-12 men) lead by a Sgt or Unterofficier. Generally you have 3 x squads in a Platoon and 3-4 Platoons in a Company and 3-4 companies make a Battalion.

US:
1 x BAR
9 x M1 Garands (or M1903 Springfields)
However come NCOs preferred to carry a Thompson submachine gun or M1 carbines.

Germans:
1 x MG34 or MG42
1 x MP40 for Squad Leader
8 x K98's
Later in the war more MP40's were used and usually 2x MG34/42's were used to make up for a lack in fire power as squads were reduced.
K98's were often replaced with MP40's, G/K43's and MP44's when available.
Fallschirmjaeger's may have fielded FG42's.
Sr. NCO's, Officers and MG crew would often carry a pistol.

Both the US and Germans usually had one sharp shooter or sniper per platoon.
US used the Springfield and M1 snipers.
Germans used several 4x Power sniper rifles and also had sharp shooters using the ZF41 with the K98 or the zf4 on the G/K43.
 
What guns did countries like Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, France, Norway, etc. use? We all know about Britain, Germany, USA, Soviet Union and Japan used but never the countries that were defeated early in the war.
 
Official Polski rifle was the WZ-29, basically a Standard Model Mauser made at Radom on the old machinery from Danzig. Calibre was 7.92x57. The rifles were close enough to a German rifle (mechanical parts interchanged) that Jerry sequstered them all for service and kept the plant in production on 98s. Their LMG was the BAR, basically, in a Polski version: 7.92mm, pistol-grip, beautifully made.

Denmark's rifle was the Krag 1889 in any of several versions, calibre 8x58R, Madsen MGs.

Norway's rifle was the Krag 1896 in 6,5x55.

Holland's rifle was the Mannlicher 1893: turnbolt, clip-fed, 6.5x53R, made at Hembrug.

In each case, the official rifle would be supplemented by ancient warhorses dragged out of storage: Jarmanns, Beaumont-Vitalis, Remington Rolling-Blocks.

Everybody and his dog had some Maxims at least.

Baltic countries had a lot of Canadian/British equipment from the Great War: P-'14s, ROSSES, Vickers Guns, Lewises, all of which was seized by dear old Mother Russia in 1940. Their air forces even had Sopwith Camels (calling Snoopy!).

Two guns largely ignored by collectors are the Madsen and the Darne. Madsen was mostly mag-fed and the mechanism (a modified Martini action) could be made to work with just about any cartrige. The guns were inexpensive and unbelievably rugged. They were made by Det Dansk Rekylriffel Syndikat A/S Madsen and some are still in service around the world today. The Darne was made in France by the same people as build those wonderful high-grade shotguns. It was a budget-priced MG, belt-fed, horrific rate of fire, sold for $28 a number and could be modded to handle just about anything that looked like ammunition. Very basic design but it worked. Both were popular with the small countries without a great deal of money.

British Army actually had some Madsens (Model 1905) for Cavalry MGs at one point, RAF tried out the Darne in the 1920s/'30s as a flexible gun. These things are not as obscure as one might think.

Chinn has lists of known contracts for both guns in "The Machine Gun", which you can download from the Military Knowledge Library over at milsurps dot com.... for free, yet.

Hope this helps a bit. I did write a book on this, once upon a time, but nobody was interested. Smithsonian has the MS.

Gives you a start, anyway.
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"...What guns did..." There are hordes of books on the subject. Start in your public library. Look for 'Military Small Arms of the Twentieth Century', by Ian Hogg and John Weeks.
 
Should look at a couple of other places, too: France and Belgium.

With the German near-monopoly on international arms sales quashed by Versailes, FN in Belgium became much more important. The Belgians had a patent agreement with Mauser, so what they did was legal and paid for. The Czechs simply took all that fine German equipment they were given and set up in business, starting with the Model 23 Mauser, followed swiftly by the VZ-24..... which was almost a duplicate of FN's Mle. 24. These two plants supplied much of the worldwide rearmament in the 1920s and 1930s.

The Czechs developed what would become the BREN GUN and the BESA tank MG, also built zillions of them on contract for anyone with the cash, as the ZB-26 and/or ZB-30.... which became standard German weapons in 1938, of course.

FN made Mauser rifles and also had a working agreement with Browning, so they were able to build recoil-operated Browning MGs and a modified BAR for anyone who wanted the things. And they did.

France developed 2 new cartridges and new rifles and MGs both in the 1920s, then scrapped the 7.5x59 because it was much too easy to slip in a 7.92x57 German round and wreck your gun... so they shortened the thing a few millimetres to the 7.5x54 which they are still making and using. It went into new LMGs (Model 29, eg), into special 'fortress' MGs and into a variety of new rifles, of which the best was/is the MAS 36. A whole pile of older rifles (Lebels, Berthiers) were also converted to handle the new round.

Belgium even came up with a 7.92x57 conversion of the P-'14/US M1917 rifles. Don't know if it was ever made in numbers, but there is one in the Pattern Room collection. Nice.

But the Germans were the big machine-gun developers and they didn't, legally, have the capacity to make a machine-gun, so they stuck with the few old Maxims left over from the Great War and started development from the few later-type guns from the end of the War, coming up with what became the MG-13, built from 1918 Bergmann guns and later sold to Portugal, which used them up into the 1960s. Several boxcars of DWM research papers had gone to Holland and to Switzerland before the IAACC guys got to the factory, so the knowledge was saved at least. Development proceeded quietly on the Rheinmetall MGs (MG-29, MG-30: saw one in 'Star Wars', BTW) which were developed by Mauser into the MG-34. Basic design for the MG-42 came out of Poland, fellow named Stecke. FG-42 was a product-improved Lewis with a Johnson trigger assembly and magazine; it was united with the MG-42 feed assembly and became the M-60, so the basic gun came back to the US 46 years after its 1911 rejection, all spiffy and 'new'.

There has been nothing really NEW since 1945, although there has been a LOT of DEVELOPMENT.

Still lotsa countries left, but my fingers are sore from this fordammet laptop keyboard.

Have funs!
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Right now I am reading Ian Skennerton's book titled 'The Lee Enfield A Century of Lee Metford and Lee Enfield Rifles and Carbines'. I am just finishing up on the chapter about the No1 SMLE, and the development process that led to the No4. Since the No1 MkIII* was only replaced by the No4 starting in 41 (in europe, but still used by the Aussies and far east units) he talks about its use during the war. Somewhere in the chapter he lists there was about 2.5 million rifles in britain at the outbreak of war broken down as:

No1MkIII* 1,333,865
No1MkIII 252,998
P' 1914 764,942
P'1914 (sniper) 3,521
about 203,000 DP,EY and .22 short rifles

I would also like to note that after Dunkirk they lost nearly 1/3 million No1MkIII rifles.

Then a little later he goes on to note "In German service, foreign arms were given designations for lisiting in their ordnance system. The Pattern 1914 rifle was known as the 7.7mm Gewehr 282 (r), the Canadian Ross as the 7.7mm Gewehr 280 (r). These were both issued to Latvian forces. The Mosin Nagant rifle acuired from the Russians and Finns were also listed in the German paperwork, used to arm rear echelon units and allies" (Skennerton pg 195)

However the enfield rifles left behind at Dunkirk were rendered inoperable by removing the bolt, unscrewing the bolt head, breaking the firing pin, and tossing the whole works into the sea.

So to further muddle your numbers, if rifles and such were found and in working order, more then likely they were pressed into service.
 
I'm doing a little research and could use some help from you guys.

Does anyone know where I can find info on how may of each type of firearm were fielded by US and German armed forces during WWII?

Check the Technical Articles for Milsurp Collectors and Re-loaders (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php...esearch-for-milsurp-collectors-and-re-loaders

With thanks to dimitri, here's a FREE excellent scanned publication that everyone should have stored on their computer, which provides complete instructions on assembly and disassembly of almost every milsurp made. It's a really interesting book that shows all of the milsurps used by the countries engaged in WWII.

Includes how to load, operate, disassemble, assemble American, German, Italian, Japanese, Russian and other military small arms. 218 pages with photographs and line drawings.

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Basic Manual of Military Small Arms by W.H.B. Smith (Expired Copyright 1943) (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=1122

Regards,
Doug
 
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