Smith and Wesson Light Rifle 1940 9mm

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It appears that 200 Smith & Wesson Light Rifles in 9mm may have been sent to Canada in 1941.

Just wondering if anyone has come across any information that would confirm this. Also looking for photos of any Canadian military personnel armed with one.

Are many of these known to be in the collections of Museums in Canada?

Any info appreciated.

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AlanD
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Seems to be nice handy carbine. Sorry not Canadian though, US soldiers.

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Mag looks too long for a 9mm. Maybe a 30 Carbine?

Mag is quite far forward. This suggest a powerful round, heavy bolt and a long travel against a heavy spring. i.e. a blow back action and a powerful round.

Thanks for posting. Never saw this before, but it does not look like an ordinary 9mm. Maybe a Long magnum 9mm case?
 
Mag looks too long for a 9mm. Maybe a 30 Carbine?

Mag is quite far forward. This suggest a powerful round, heavy bolt and a long travel against a heavy spring. i.e. a blow back action and a powerful round.

Thanks for posting. Never saw this before, but it does not look like an ordinary 9mm. Maybe a Long magnum 9mm case?

Watch where the empty goes. :) way over complicated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUf9nIc2LA

Grizz
 
The rear half of the mag is an ejection chute for the empties and the forward is the actual mag. A stick case or two would certainly be a pita to remove.

With some simplification it would be a sleek little gun.
 
British govt forwarded $1million to S&W for these on an order for 22000 @ $85 but found structural weaknesses and other flaws. Contract was cancelled and money used to buy .380" revolvers.
 
It looks awkward enough to be desirable to the Brits. No offense intended. They just seemed to have a passion for awkward smgs and light rifles. Not saying they didn't work though.

That light rifle has BSA lines in my eye. I wonder if the it was designed by a BSA engineer and licensed to S&W for the contract??
 
It looks awkward enough to be desirable to the Brits. No offense intended. They just seemed to have a passion for awkward smgs and light rifles.

Isn't that what usually happens when the specification comes from a government office staffed by chairborne "warriors" with zero or very little frontline combat experience?
 
I ran across a reference to these S&W guns when I was researching my Lanchester smg.
(Background )
The British 9mm Parabellum LANCHESTER Mk1 was a copy of the German MP-2811, and was used by the British Navy during WW2.
Designed by George Herbert Lanchester in 1941, the gun was manufactured by the Sterling Engineering Company, Dagenham, Essex, England.

When Britain went to war in 1939, there were no sub-machineguns of any sort in her Order of Battle. In fact, the armories were bare. It was not until 1940 that the British Purchasing Commission in New York was instructed to buy all the Thompson sub-machineguns that it could lay its hands on. In all, orders were placed for 300,000 Thompson sub-machineguns and a staggering 249 million rounds of .45 cal. ammunition. (100,000 never ended up in Britain but rather at the bottom at the Atlantic Ocean ,…casualties of the German U-Boats etc.)

Once the gold reserves were gone it was a case of necessity that Britain, in desperation, just had to manufacture her own sub-machinegun.
After evaluation and debate the decision to manufacture a gun that resembled the German MP28 (11) was made, …leading to the development of the British Lanchester MK.1 sub-machinegun.


Who got the Lanchesters?

50,000 Lanchesters: (nearly) All for the Royal Navy.) First contract June 13, 1941.

The first order was supposed to be split 50-50 between the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force, which did not happen.

By this time the British Army had supplies of the Thompson, and they made it quite clear that the Thompson was what they wanted, so the Army kept the Thompson.

The Royal Air Force would immediately receive the 2,000 newly acquired Smith & Wesson 9mm carbines (smgs), for the defense of aerodromes and airfields now springing up around the country.
(Ironically the RAF had originally requested a copy of the German MP38.)
 
I saw one of these S&W carbines on display at the closed to the public Cleveland Gun Show (members and guests only) back in January of 1997. It was in new condition and part of a glass case display on someone's table.

I did get to check out and handle an original WELROD that was registered with the BATF and for sale at $1600 US. I think the vendor said it was in 9mm. It too was in new condition.

I was a guest of Jim Montag (owner of Great Lakes Gun Shows in Ontario) at that show. That's the only way I could have gotten in there. There were so many tables with military guns and gear on display that it took about an hour just to leisurely walk through to see what was there.
 
There is one on display at the Buffalo Bill Cody Museum in Cody, Wyoming.
Tag says "Smith & Weston Model 1940 Mark 1 Semi Automatic Carbine".
serial number 485
catalogue number 1998.33.15
Gift of James "Jim" L. Kuber.
 
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