SMITH AND WESSON MODEL 2 ARMY REVOLVER----year of manufacture.

drm3m

CGN frequent flyer
Rating - 100%
13   0   0
Location
Montreal Quebec
I am trying to clarify the year of manufacture of these two revolvers.

S/n 42584 with assembly numbers 25 on the barrel –cylinder—and grip frame. The serial number is seen on the butt strap and on the inside of the right grip panel.























S/n 49633 with assembly numbers 95 on the barrel and cylinder.
The serial number appears on the butt strap.
I have not taken the left grip panel off to verify the assembly number on the frame.










Thanks for any help.
 
Last edited:
Some history regarding these S&W No.2 revolvers.

Once the Civil War began in 1861, Smith & Wesson began producing the Model No. 2 Revolver in .32 rimfire long caliber. This gun became so popular with soldiers it was nicknamed the Army, also known by collectors as the Old Army. It is considered “the most advanced of the United States manufactured revolvers to see substantial service during the Civil War.” One of the main reasons for its popularity was that it required only twenty-five seconds to load. Two minutes and ten seconds were required to do the same with a Colt revolver. Before production was discontinued in 1874, 77,155 of these revolvers had found their way into the hands of soldiers, sailors, lawmen, and outlaws, thereby establishing Smith & Wesson as a major weapons producer.

Because a special cartridge was required, the U.S. War Department refused to purchase Smith & Wesson’s Number 2.

Some of the more famous owners of the Number 2 were major, future general, and later President of the United States Rutherford B. Hayes; Civil War general and future 7th Cavalry Commander George Armstrong Custer; and legendary gunman Wild Bill Hickok, who reportedly was carrying one of his Old Army revolvers on him when he was killed by Jack McCall in Deadwood’s Saloon on August 2, 1876. Names of lesser-known officers, soldiers, and civilians were hand-engraved into countless back straps, ivory grips, or side panels, but most owners remain lost to history. However, such is not the case with the Old Army revolvers.


An infamous S&W No.2 in Canadian history.

Serial number 50847 was used to assassinate Thomas Darcy Mcgee.

Going, going, gone to the Canadian Museum of Civilization. With the rap of an auctioneer's hammer, the Smith & Wesson six-shot revolver reputedly used in Canada's only political assassination was sold for $105,000 yesterday and is heading back to the National Capital Region, where it was seized 137 years ago.
"It's nice that it's going back to Ottawa, it's an important piece of Canadiana," said Kemptville auctioneer Eugene Ursual, who placed the winning bid on behalf of the museum, located in Gatineau, Que., just across the Ottawa River from Parliament.

"Now it's preserved for history."
The .32-calibre pistol believed to have dispatched Thomas D'Arcy McGee -- an Irish expatriate and father of Confederation -- with a single shot in 1868 wasn't just any old murder weapon. Its 28-year-old owner, Patrick James Whelan, said it wasn't a murder weapon at all, and went to the gallows bitterly protesting his innocence.

Thickening the mystery, the pulverized bullet that lodged in the door frame of Mr. McGee's Ottawa home, after piercing the back of his head and taking out some teeth along the way, has been mislaid.
Unsophisticated ballistic checks in 1973 connected revolver and bullet, but a recent inquiry to the Ontario Archives found that the keepers of the precious slug are unsure exactly where it is.

What seems certain is that the weapon auctioned off yesterday at a Hamilton hotel did belong to Mr. Whelan -- a Fenian sympathizer dubbed "The Tailor with the Red Whiskers" during his sensational murder trial -- and that he had it in his pocket, fully loaded, when police arrested him 24 hours after Mr. McGee was felled.
Equally beyond dispute is that the murder of the outspoken Mr. McGee, MP for Montreal West, was a major event. With no witnesses to the killing on the doorstep of his Sparks Street rooming house, a $2,000 reward for information was posted the day he died.

Prime Minister Sir John A. Macdonald was among those who helped rush the dying Mr. McGee to hospital. His huge funeral, held on his 43rd birthday just nine months after Confederation, was the first state funeral held in the new Dominion of Canada.

Mr. Whelan's execution, carried out in a snow storm at Ottawa's Carleton County Jail, was another milestone: Canada's last public hanging. (He was buried in an anonymous grave on the grounds and his ghost is said to haunt the old jail, now a youth hostel.)

"McGee's death had the same effect on Canada that the Lincoln assassination did in America," said Wendy Hoare of Jeffrey Hoare Auctions Inc., which organized yesterday's auction. "It tended to unite the country."
A reformed Irish nationalist who became a passionate advocate of Canadian unity, Mr. McGee was already a fixture in public life when he was slain.

Poet, journalist and compelling orator, his disdain for his former Fenian comrades was the core of the prosecution's case against Mr. Whelan during the eight-day trial, which Mr. Macdonald attended every day.
Mr. Whelan consistently denied committing the murder, but before he was hanged he admitted knowing "the man who shot McGee," while refusing to name him.

And in a further twist, the Catholic, nationalist-leaning Mr. Whelan was defended at trial by a very different type of Irish expatriate -- Toronto lawyer John Hillyard Cameron, a Protestant and Grand Master of the Orange Lodge, well-known for its hatred of all things Fenian.

Whatever Mr. Cameron's motives, he failed in his task as defence counsel. Mr. Whelan was convicted chiefly on the basis of an incriminating, post-arrest conversation he had with another prisoner.
Until yesterday, Mr. Whelan's gun -- serial number 50847 -- belonged to auto mechanic Scott Renfrew of Dundalk, Ont. He could not be reached for comment, but Ms. Hoare said the pistol had been with one family for more than 100 years, handed down between generations.

And despite speculation the auction might attract well-heeled American gun-lovers willing to pay top dollar for the historic pistol and whisk it south, Mr. Ursual said it appeared all four bidders were Canadian.
The lack of U.S. interest may have been a boon for the victorious Museum of Civilization, which will place Mr. Whelan's six-shooter on display: Mr. Ursual said he had only been authorized to go as high as $100,000.
As for the extra $5,000, he said, "I think we can work it out."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/d-arcy-mcgee-assassin-s-gun-for-sale-1.520540

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_J._Whelan



I like this holster---it is not mine.



This is the No.2 with explanation.

 
Last edited:


Wild Bill Hickok’s revolver may earn $500K in antique gun auction.



A historic Smith & Wesson No. 2 Old Model Army revolver owned by Wild Bill Hickok and carried by him when he was slain by the coward Jack McCall in Deadwood. Serial no. 29963 for 1864, .32 Rimfire. 6 inch barrel. Blued finish. Varnished rosewood grips.

SAN FRANCISCO—In its Nov. 18 armor and gun auction, Bonhams is offering a Smith & Wesson No. 2 revolver owned by Wild Bill Hickok that was on him when he was murdered by Jack McCall in Deadwood in 1876.

Wild Bill Hickok (James Butler Hickok), 1837-1876, is one of the most iconic figures of the Old West. As a lawman, gunfighter and scout, his reputation as possibly the finest shot with a handgun was known far and wide. On Aug. 2, 1876, while playing poker at the Number 10 Saloon in Deadwood, holding the infamous ‘Dead Man’s Hand’ of aces and eights, he was murdered by Jack McCall. Seth Bullock had arrived in Deadwood the previous day and was made sheriff shortly thereafter. As was common at the time, it is quite likely that the deceased Hickok’s effects were held by the sheriff’s office.

The revolver being offered by Bonhams (estimated at $300,000-$500,000) is a fascinating historic piece in .32 rimfire, with a 6-inch barrel, blued finish and varnished rosewood grips, and serial no. 29963. It is on offer with an extensive file of documents backing its provenance, including photocopied reference works stating it is well known that Hickok was carrying a Smith & Wesson No. 2 when he was killed; a photocopy of pertinent pages from Ed McGivern’s book “Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting,” in which McGivern details his visit to Deadwood in 1932 to research Wild Bill’s guns, at which time he saw this gun and notes “The Willoth gun is quite generally established as being one of Wild Bill’s guns, and all reports seem to support such claim convincingly”; and photocopies of various documents about how the gun was passed down through the Willoth family of Deadwood to the present owner’s father.

---------------------------------------------------------------


'Wild Bill' Hickok's pistol fails to sell at San Francisco auction.

The revolver carried by Old West lawman James "Wild Bill" Hickok on the day he was shot down at a Deadwood saloon failed to sell at an auction in San Francisco on Monday, with bidders failing to meet the steep reserve set by the gun's owners.

Bonhams Auctioneers started the bidding for the Smith & Wesson No. 2 revolver at $150,000, but potential buyers were only willing to pay $220,000, less than what the consigners would sell it for, Bonhams arms and armor specialist James Ferrell said.

The reserve price is private, but it is typically set between 20 and 30 percent less than the minimum of the item's estimated value, Ferrell said. Hickok's revolver was valued between $300,000 and $500,000.

"It was a fairly bold estimate," Ferrell said. "But it's an auction. There's no way to state a reason why it didn't sell."
According to Bonhams' rules, the gun's owners could take the pistol back, list it in an upcoming sale or accept bids submitted in the days following the auction.
Typically, the auctioneers will receive bids for high-interest unsold items for about a week after the auction, Ferrell said. Moments after Monday's sale ended, potential bidders were already calling about the gun, Ferrell said.
The pistol, a piece of Wild West history, went on display for public viewing on Friday. The item has attracted special attention compared to the other 500 items listed in the sale, Ferrell said.
"Wild Bill Hickok is as big an icon of the Old West as there is," he said. "Anything in our field that's associated with somebody who's famous gives a whole new value to the item."
Also contributing to the gun's value is the fact that Hickok left behind very few belongings when he died in 1876, Ferrell said.

Hickok, a lawman known for his shooting and gambling skills, was playing a game of poker at the Nuttal & Mann's Saloon in Deadwood, South Dakota, when he was shot from behind by Jack "Crooked Nose" McCall. McCall reportedly shouted "Damn you! Take that!" after pulling the trigger.

A fictionalized Hickok was a central character in the former Emmy-winning TV Western series "Deadwood" from HBO, and his death was featured in the show.
Notarized letters that will be included in the revolver purchase say that a Deadwood sheriff took possession of Hickok's belongings after he was slain and shortly after gave it to the Willoth family to settle a tab Hickok ran up at the family's stationery and tobacco store.

A member of that family gave the piece to Leo Zymetzke and his family, the current owners, in 1972 for unknown reasons.
The 6-inch-barrel pistol, with blued finish steel and rosewood grips, is considered to be in very good condition despite cracks and slight bulges in front of its breech.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom