Smokeless sabotless muzzleloaders

[Shooter1971]

Anyone into these? I just recently bought one in 35 cal, Uses a swaging die made from part of the barrel to size and engrave rifling in bullets. Gets magnum performance and custom barrel accuracy. Is built on a rem 700 ml with a pacnor bbl, Ignition system is 209 with an arrowhead Breech Plug

 

[double gun]

I have one in 45.

 

[Shooter1971]

Build it yourself? I'm thinking of another possibly on a rem 783 action. I only have small bore barrels though (7mm, 30 cal). Would like one in 458, Do you have a swinglock die?

 

[ljc]

I have one 40 cal. Pac nor .408 6 groove 16" twist on Savage ML with target accu trigger

 

[scott_r]

Interesting. What powder are you guys using and are you using rifle bullets?

 

[ljc]

40 cal Muzzle loader bullets 195 gr Barnes copper MZ & Hornady 200 gr SST ML . Duplex load sr4759 under Varget.
Velocity 2700 more velocity (pressure) erodes Savage ventliners fast 15-20 shots there done.
http://dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/thread/586/smok

 

[double gun]

Build it yourself? I'm thinking of another possibly on a rem 783 action. I only have small bore barrels though (7mm, 30 cal). Would like one in 458, Do you have a swinglock die?

Yes, I built it and I built my own die aswell. Smokeater is a wealth of information, and pointed me in the right direction answering all my questions along the way.

 

[double gun]

Interesting. What powder are you guys using and are you using rifle bullets?

I'm using 4198 and a 300gr 458 nosler ballistic tip.

 

[Shooter1971]

.358 180 and 200 grain barnes ttsx over imr 3031 52/57 grains

 

[scott_r]

Very cool guys..and one sweet looking front stuffer shooter1971.

What kind of range could one expect out of a gun like that? over 300 yards??

Cheers!!

 

[Shooter1971]

Yes...I believe this one was tested out to 300 yards and held under 1 MOA

Very cool guys..and one sweet looking front stuffer shooter1971.

What kind of range could one expect out of a gun like that? over 300 yards??

Cheers!!

 

[Collint2005]

I was wondering about modern muzzleloaders like this. Are you still able to hunt during muzzleloading season? I live in Saskatchewan. Can't seem to find any info on this.

 

[Shooter1971]

AKAIK...no laws in Ontario prevent its use during mL seasons

I was wondering about modern muzzleloaders like this. Are you still able to hunt during muzzleloading season? I live in Saskatchewan. Can't seem to find any info on this.

 

[Chuck McCann]

I was wondering about modern muzzleloaders like this. Are you still able to hunt during muzzleloading season? I live in Saskatchewan. Can't seem to find any info on this.

Yes you can hunt with them. I use my smokeless savage all of the time.

 

[Spcamno]

Very nice build Shooter1971,

Do you mind if I ask how much would be the cost for something like this and do you have any pics on your build to show us?

Thanks

 

[Shooter1971]

I got it on trade...seller wanted 1700 $ but that includes a 200usd sizing die

action 300=500$, bbl 500$, stock 200$, swinglock die 250$, breeching system 200$, smithing 300$

expect to pay 1650-1950$

 

[dirtyw]

I just got into this. 700ML action with Brux Barrel .458, ASG 209 Breach Plug.Sabotless Full Form Die. Plan on getting a new trigger. Very nice overall. I love the modern muzzys I wish more people were into them. I'm the only one local that I know of. Anyone have load data for their favorite?

 

[Dogleg]

I was wondering about modern muzzleloaders like this. Are you still able to hunt during muzzleloading season? I live in Saskatchewan. Can't seem to find any info on this.

Yep, we have a muzzleloader season, not a primitive weapon season. If you load it with a stick you're good to go.