Snap caps - yes or no?

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I've always used snap caps in most of my guns to release the hammers and most of those snap caps have been A-Zooms. But I'm noticing that the pockets on my A-Zooms are all quite dented and I wonder if they're doing any good at all? Should I bother with snap caps or un-cocking my guns at all?
 
I prefer to lower the firing pins on my o/u and sxs when they are not in use but you don't need snap caps to absorb the firing pin impact. A piece of wood or hard plastic will do just as well when the barrels are removed. Just hold it against the firing pin holes and pull the trigger(s.)

English shooters sometimes use a "striker block" which is often made of horn or some other similar material.

http://www.jeffsoutfitters.com/ACC1015_Horn_Striker_Block.aspx?panel=3&productid=73&categoryid=64
 
Pump or semi-auto, I wouldn't worry about snap caps. My SxS's I just leave cocked. Depending on the design, you might have trouble re-assembling the gun if you drop the strikers with the barrels removed. If you're dry firing a double, I would recommend snap caps, but this is the only time I use them. Also, don't store your guns with the snap caps in the chambers... they can attract moisture and cause rusting and pitting, as I learned from experience.
 
Thanks guys. I can't remember if my SKB's were a PIA to reassemble with the pins lowered, but a block of hardwood might do the trick.

Sorry about your chambers, Mauser. I've always kept the surfaces of my snap caps oiled for fear of something like that.
 
I just remembered an easier way to de-#### your double gun... with the gun open, push the safety forward and hold the triggers back. Then slowly close it while still holding the triggers. I normally leave mine cocked, so it slipped my mind.
 
Pump or semi-auto, I wouldn't worry about snap caps. My SxS's I just leave cocked. Depending on the design, you might have trouble re-assembling the gun if you drop the strikers with the barrels removed. If you're dry firing a double, I would recommend snap caps, but this is the only time I use them. Also, don't store your guns with the snap caps in the chambers... they can attract moisture and cause rusting and pitting, as I learned from experience.

Agree 100%. I pretty much do the same
Cheers
 
It is unwise to leave the hammers cocked as it puts pressure on the springs. You also want to make sure the top lever is in a neutral position. My Kolar does not need to have snap caps or similar device, but the Beretta does. If in doubt, use something for the firing pin to strike. A block of hard plastic will work.
 
It is unwise to leave the hammers cocked as it puts pressure on the springs. You also want to make sure the top lever is in a neutral position. My Kolar does not need to have snap caps or similar device, but the Beretta does. If in doubt, use something for the firing pin to strike. A block of hard plastic will work.

What did shooters do years ago before snap caps???? never seen wood or plastic used. Nor in 50 years have I ever seen one fail due to storage being cocked

Has anyone here ???
Spring failure is almost always due to cycles rather than whether they're static in a compressed or uncompressed state from my experiences
years back it was believed coils would be OK but never a leaf spring yet many left them cocked also with no issues.
Also the issue of firing pins breaking from dry firing seems to get a lot of attention on SXS doubles. I'm not sure if this is because older doubles had fragile firing pins, or there is something about SxS design being hard on the firing pins, or just an old wives tale like I think but I have been wrong before
 
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What did shooters do years ago before snap caps???? never seen wood or plastic used. Nor in 50 years have I ever seen one fail due to storage being cocked

Has anyone here ???
Spring failure is almost always due to cycles rather than whether they're static in a compressed or uncompressed state from my experiences
years back it was believed coils would be OK but never a leaf spring yet many left them cocked also with no issues.
Also the issue of firing pins breaking from dry firing seems to get a lot of attention on SXS doubles. I'm not sure if this is because older doubles had fragile firing pins, or there is something about SxS design being hard on the firing pins, or just an old wives tale like I think but I have been wrong before

I'm basing my comments based on discussions with Keith Sprangers from Kolar Arms. He strongly suggests that you do not leave the hammers cocked and the top lever cocked. He is the engineer that designed the Remington 90-T and all of the Kolar shotguns. Without getting into specifics, he indicated that it was not good for the springs to have the pressure on them. He also told me that the Kolar would not be harmed by dropping the hammers without a snap cap or similar device.
 
I'm basing my comments based on discussions with Keith Sprangers from Kolar Arms. He strongly suggests that you do not leave the hammers cocked and the top lever cocked. He is the engineer that designed the Remington 90-T and all of the Kolar shotguns. Without getting into specifics, he indicated that it was not good for the springs to have the pressure on them. He also told me that the Kolar would not be harmed by dropping the hammers without a snap cap or similar device.

Yes Kolar is a class act no dispute there and Keith I thought was actually the chief engineer of a full design team that produced the 90-t for remington not a one man effort if I recall but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter he knows his kolars that is a given and highly respected . However other than that 90-t and the Kolar designed products that came out in the mid 90's I think there was no others was there ?? so is it possible not good for thier designs or all designs.
Not trying to sturr it up just trying to understand why so many gun owners store their other manufacturers cocked and never a spring problem. Some I have bought some over the years were sitting like 25-30 years also with zero issues after. To me a spring is a spring regardless if in a car or gun and I have read so many reports that seem to say the same especially with today's modern designs
http://shotgunreport.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/snap-caps-or-not/
Cheers
 
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So I decided to consult the experts on this business of relieving the tension on gun springs. First, from Gerald Burrard, a British gun expert who wrote a 3-volume set devoted to the shotgun:

"Many sportsmen make a great point of snapping off the locks of their guns so as to release theh mainsprings; but they usually forget all about the ejector springs, which are left in a permanent state of compression. The truth of the matter is that it is really no more necessary to release the main or ejector springs of a gun than it is to release the springs of a watch. The loss in strength owing to compression is negligible, even after many years."

And again, from Robert Churchill, gunmaker and author of Churchill's Game Shooting:

"Many shooting men, when they dismount their guns, still believe that they rest the mainsprings by releasing the cocking levers. Don't do it. First of all, the action of a shotgun, unlike a rifle, can be severely damaged if you release the pins on an empty chamber. If you must do it, make sure that you have snap caps in the barrels. But, apart from that, releasing the mainsprings in a gun is quite unnecessary. Whatever you do, rhe mainsprings in a gun are always under tension and, in fact, the difference in the pressure on the springs between a gun cocked and uncocked is a matter of not more than a quarter of an inch. Put your gun away fully cocked. The springs won't mind and, further, when you come to mount the gun, it will come together that much more easily."
 
Hmm, difficult topic, if it's a side lock, I'd definitely relase the hammers. If it has leaf springs in it, definitely release the hammers.

Krieghoff states in their literature to release the hammers and close the top latch.

Most guns I let the hammers go, one gun to NEVER release the hammers on it the beretta 471 silver hawk SxS, you have to recock the action with a screwdriver before you can put the barrels on, MAJOR PITA!!!
 
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