So I bought an M14

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so guys.. after much deliberation, I decided on buying an M14. I took the plunge, so to speak.

I have a question, though..

What type of rounds should I bring hunting? If you could name it completely so a newbie knows what to look for that would be great.

All im waiting on now is my PAL to arrive so I can pick it up.
 
Well.. I usually fall into the placement spectrum over grain.. but I am new.. The m14s can take 168 fine, correct?

The winchester 150g silvertips around 20 bucks for a box?

I dont think the differences would be notable betwen a 150gr and a 168gr when im hunting blackbear, but perhaps someone more enlightened can inform me! :)
 
Sure, you are good to go with the 168g. rounds. You are even o.k. with the 180g. a few at a time. It is just that the rifle was made to shoot the 147g. bullet and although it will hold up to the 168g. just fine, time and experience have proven that components in your rifle will start to fail if all you shoot in it is 180g. and you shoot your rifle all the time.
 
"...bought an M14..." An M-14 it ain't. The M305 is a copy of the M1A, not the M-14.
If you're not reloading you need to try as many brands and bullet weights as you can to find the one or two your rifle shoots best. 165 grain hunting buulets seem to give the best accuracy out of most .308 calibre rifles. 168 grain match bullets carefully handloaded can give amazing accuracy.
There is absolutely no tested proof that using 180 grain or heavier bullets will damage any rifle, including the M-1. The only place I've ever heard or seen anything about this supposed danger is on the Internet. In real life, I've never once in 30 plus years seen nor heard of any M-1 being damaged by the ammo alone. Mind you, physics being physics, heavier bullets will give more felt recoil.
 
I have no personal experience with rifle damage from heavy bullets. The most credible stories I have heard originated from the use of M-14s for NM shooting by service teams in the US. They also had armourers to keep their rifles in order.
I personally doubt that bullet weight has anything to do with it. If there is a problem, it will be because of gas port pressure. I have used commercial 180gr ammuntion in an M-1 that would not cycle the action because there was too little pressure. Obviouly thee was no strain on the gas system.
If ejection was particularly violent, this would suggest that operating rod velocity is high. If there are going to be problems, this could be an indicator.
 
Well, I wasn't going to quibble about the designation of the rifle, I knew which one he was talking about.

I shall let others step in about the 180g bullets since they are far more experienced than I. In the meantime, I will be happy with mine shooting the 168g. and under bullets.
 
Ripstop said:
Well, I wasn't going to quibble about the designation of the rifle, I knew which one he was talking about.

I shall let others step in about the 180g bullets since they are far more experienced than I. In the meantime, I will be happy with mine shooting the 168g. and under bullets.
+1- if it looks like a duck, etc- i was working up a load using the factory receipe for the 180 using 748 ( 45 grains =2535fps supposed to be a middle load) with 47 being the top end and i ran into pressure problems- dropped back to 42, wouldn't cycle, 43 would, but 43.8-44 would cycle relaibly- this was with a real m14- israeli surplus job-- which just happens to be the receipie for the m118slr( special long range) using the 175 smk - factory ww 180's advertise 2610 fps. which would be far too hot considering what i ran into at 45 grains- the only other load i've tried is ivi 7.62 surplus which feeds and fires no problem- so i'm going to go down to 165-168's for the m14 series and keep the 180's for my "hunting" rifles- besides what you have to pay for a usgi op rod or a bolt is far more than i paid for entire rifle way back when- and the animal isn't going to notice the differece of 15 grains
 
from what I read the 180g bullets put a bigger strain on the barrel and gas system.

The rifle says Norinco m14 as well.. maybe I should have specified.
 
the_big_mike said:
from what I read the 180g bullets put a bigger strain on the barrel and gas system.

The rifle says Norinco m14 as well.. maybe I should have specified.

All things being equal, I think we are all talking about roughly the same topic; that being rifle "wear" and not immediate catasrophic failure


There have certainly been reports from various sources about failures with large, high pressure loads, and I doubt anyone would create such a story off whim.


But go figure.

JTF reported issues with the Sig P226, a very fine semi-automatic. Apparently, they were exeperiencing stress cracks on the frame at an "unacceptable" rate.

But if you look at the loads they were firing AND the volume they were firing it just makes good sense they would experience failures after so MANY rounds of high pressure ammunnition.

NO mechanical device has infinite life, and the more stress you put on it the shorter the service life it will provide.

Kind of like a truck. Its ok to drive fast in. Its also ok to carry weight in the back of your truck. You can even drive over rough roads. Try all three at once, and you might wind up with less mileage than it was designed for.



If you're like me, and don't fire thousands of rounds a month (or even thousands a year) then I personally doubt you have alot to worry about. Like all products built to strict specifications, they tend to be over-engineered.

As to earlier advice, I think there is a great deal of merit in shooting a broad range of ammunition and finding out what feeds most reliably and shoots straightest.

And think of the fun you'll have figuring out what works best for you. Journalling your experience can be a sideline hobby all of its own.


Enjoy Safely.
Greg
 
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misanthropist said:
Yes, and aren't some of them, in fact, copies of the m-14, and not the M1a? Somebody far more knowledgeable than me was saying something about some of the earlier ones coming with just a selector switch missing!
yea, the early blued ones just need the lug welded or screwed into the heel and the accompaying rod attached- i've got one- and that was me- but they're also blued, not phosphate and have the ground receiver- there's also no markings aside from the norinco star , made in proc and the ser no - i got mine about 1990 or so
 
m14s vs m14

if that is the case then would that not be a prohib? due to the fact that it was designed as a FA and then converted.... same problem the "real" M14 owners are facing today....

HP
 
Well, if the selective receiver was never built up into a rifle before the tang was cut off, then the semi-auto rifle ultimately assembled would not be a CA. This is the situation with the Czech 58s currently being sold.
 
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