so I can have a nr 22 shorter than 660mm?
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I can think of one....
hamilton0729
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If you can then why are you telling us I'm confused what's going on here?
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No.
I'm just going to pastes TEG's response from the SR22 thread here:
If you remember our discussion regarding o/a length in another thread.... as long as you have a butt stock (i.e.: it is a rifle, not a handgun) and as long as it does not telescope or fold to less than 26" and as along as you did not modify anything yourself to shorten it, there is no lower limit on o/a length to remain NR for a non-centre fire semi auto rifle. This is the same rule that allows mares leg rifles to me NR. So as long as you are using factory or after market components without modification you are GTG. The rifle in your picture could have an 8" barrel and no butt pad and be 24"+/- and it is still NR.
OVERALL LENGTH LESS THAN 26"/660mm RULES:
CURRENT LAW CC s. 84(1) "prohibited weapon" (d):
If the firearm ARRIVES at the "less than 26"/660mm in overall length" condition by "sawing, cutting" etc., then it is forced into the "prohibited weapon" class. If it left the factory at that too-short length, or arrived at that too-short length by the addition or substitution of factory-made or custom-made parts that are NOT SHORTENED FACTORY-MADE PARTS, the limit does NOT apply. It is unrestricted, UNLESS it is semi-automatic AND centrefire.
ISTR the MSR-22 has a folding stock, so... not sure.
If you remember our discussion regarding o/a length in another thread.... as long as you have a butt stock (i.e.: it is a rifle, not a handgun) and as long as it does not telescope or fold to less than 26" and as along as you did not modify anything yourself to shorten it, there is no lower limit on o/a length to remain NR for a non-centre fire semi auto rifle. This is the same rule that allows mares leg rifles to me NR. So as long as you are using factory or after market components without modification you are GTG. The rifle in your picture could have an 8" barrel and no butt pad and be 24"+/- and it is still NR.
OVERALL LENGTH LESS THAN 26"/660mm RULES:
CURRENT LAW CC s. 84(1) "prohibited weapon" (d):
If the firearm ARRIVES at the "less than 26"/660mm in overall length" condition by "sawing, cutting" etc., then it is forced into the "prohibited weapon" class. If it left the factory at that too-short length, or arrived at that too-short length by the addition or substitution of factory-made or custom-made parts that are NOT SHORTENED FACTORY-MADE PARTS, the limit does NOT apply. It is unrestricted, UNLESS it is semi-automatic AND centrefire.
ISTR the MSR-22 has a folding stock, so... not sure.
Ive never seen this law before. So a 8" barrel and nomad stock makes the gun folded less than 660mm so its still NR fallowing his law.
Every post Ive read so far said the the stock needs to be pinned or the barrel longer to make the OL 26"
So I have a axiom stock and had an 8" barrel. It was about 22"
If this CC post is right, then this gun would be NR and not prohibited.
Funny cause when I posted picks, I had a whole bunch of messages saying I was silly to post pics and that I was breaking the law.
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Every post Ive read so far said the the stock needs to be pinned or the barrel longer to make the OL 26"
So I have a axiom stock and had an 8" barrel. It was about 22"
If this CC post is right, then this gun would be NR and not prohibited.
Funny cause when I posted picks, I had a whole bunch of messages saying I was silly to post pics and that I was breaking the law.
Mmmmmmm
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By that logic a pistol gripped 12" 870 or grizzly would be NR. The RCMP don't seem to agree. I hear what you're saying here I'm just not so sure I'd want to test out the theory.
Not sure where you are finding this but on the government of Canada site the only resource. it does not say half of what you wrote.
The proper section is part iii 84 (1)
prohibited firearms means
(b)
this is what leos will charge you with.
sawing cutting or any other alteration
and barrel less then 457mm
Don't confuse prohibited and restricted.
The proper section is part iii 84 (1)
prohibited firearms means
(b)
this is what leos will charge you with.
sawing cutting or any other alteration
and barrel less then 457mm
Don't confuse prohibited and restricted.
457mm is 18"... FFS, the SR-22 comes from Ruger with a 16" bbl and it is NR. You left out the important "AND" from the CC; " has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,"
hometownhero
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You can have a barrel short as you want as long as it was manufactured that length and not chopped down. As well the gun can not be shorter then 26" to stay non restricted. Its really easy to understand So not sure why this thread is more then one reply long lol.
I'm not being delibaretly obtuse, but when you read this:
"a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise"
and you a 659mm gun with a stock that does not fold or telescope, are you still OK, or is that "otherwise" caveat that gets you into trouble. Otherwise, why even mention the folding/telescoping part, just write "Must be over 660mm"
"a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise"
and you a 659mm gun with a stock that does not fold or telescope, are you still OK, or is that "otherwise" caveat that gets you into trouble. Otherwise, why even mention the folding/telescoping part, just write "Must be over 660mm"
I came to the same conclusion. Nothing specifically forbids a factory made 24" rifle(ignoring centerfires semi-autos) from being under 26", that do not use a folding or telescoping stock.
I ain't taking that to court though.
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There is at least one factory made rimfire under 26"... The Henry mares leg.
"Building" a 10-22 under 26" is NOT factory.
elimsprint
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As long as it is built using unaltered manufactured parts it is "factory" according to the law. If you saw a factory fixed butt-stock down it is then considered altered but if you buy a short fixed butt-stock (youth size for instance) and build a gun with a short manufactured barrel then that gun is considered "factory" and you can have any length you want. At least that is the way I interpret the law.
That's how I see it too... but... that means the extreme hypothetical rifle below is still NR? Lets say a 6" bbl and a 3" fixed butt stock (say for a little person or someone with T-rex arms), all produced at legit factories, nothing sawn/shortened after the fact....
