So I pulled a dummy.....

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Turns out I pulled a stupid and a few months ago I loaded up 50rnds of .308 with pistol primers. I fired half and all was well. I noticed what I had done today when I went to load up some hunting rounds.

Wondering how big of a difference there is between the two types of primers? They are Federal LPP #150 and Federal LRP (no # given).

I figure the groupings I got with the LPP are inadmissible for finding a great load for my .308.

What kind of velocity differences are we looking at? Will this affect accuracy one way or another?



I have 30rnds to test tomorrow, LRP, 43-46gr Varget, 165gr Nosler Accubond.
 
Never done that but I'm guessing, depending on the burning rate of the powder you used, you could have ignition problems. Knowing that, I'd be a little skeptical in using them on a hunt. In addition, the height or profile of the cup is a little different between the two. The other way around is sometimes an advantage, ie: some loads in the 500 S&W, using H110, the large pistol primers sometimes didn't supply enough power to ignite all the powder. Now, to compensate for that, many of the brass manufacturers make the case to accept large rifle primers. There is a slight difference in the primer cup length.
 
pistol primers are softer. what may happen is your firing pin may get stuck in the primers and break when the shell is ejected. the reason why IPSC Open shooters use small rifle primers is for the harder cup because of the high pressure that are generated in 38 super loads.
 
A good load should be somewhere around the same powder charge, maybe a bit more or less. The pistol primer isn't' going to be as hot and wouldn't' have ignited the powder as fast, resulting in a bit lower pressure....

I definitely wouldn't hunt with them, especially on a bitter cold day, as you may have ignition issues. Fine for practice, though.:)
 
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Pull the bullets, save the powder, run the cases thru the die , :eek:, heck Not sure here, maybe if low value cases , just shoot the primers with a 22 at 50 meters :D
 
Yeah, I discovered the problem today after priming 50 more cases. Amphibious put his .223 decapping tool in the 308 die and I just popped all of the primers out.

I guess I could pull apart the other 25odd rounds I have left with the pistol primers in them.

I was wondering why the primers were sitting so low in the cases. No broken primers. They were dimpling into the beveled edge between the firing pin and pin hole though.
 
You're not the only person to make that mistake by a long shot. Some of us have even done it on purpose.

I wouldn't suggest doing it in a semi auto rifle with a floating firing pin but in a bolt rifle and with loads in the suggested parameters, all will be well.

I loaded up a few batches of 30-06 with 180 grain bullets over H4831 about 40 years ago with LPM primers. I did it on purpose. I didn't have and couldn't get any LR primers at the one gun shop that sold reloading equipment in Vernon BC.

H4831, like Bruce, is pretty forgiving. I didn't know that back then as it seemed to me and a lot of others that reloading was all magic anyway. Powder and bullet selections left a lot to be desired as well. To give you an example, 3 months to bring in some 6.5 x140 grain BTSP bullets and the store owner thought I was strange for trying to hunt with anything less than 30 cal.

To make a long story short, the rifle, sportered P17 by Globe, went bang and shot to point of aim at 100 yds into a nice 4 inch group. Not bad considering the rifle and the inexperienced shooter behind it. That year, those cartridges took a black bear, a calf moose and two mule deer (few if any white tails around in those years). Being inexperienced, when the proper LR primers showed up, I loaded up another batch on a bunch of uncleaned, mixed range brass that included milsurp, Dominion and Remington brass. I did know enough to trim them to equal length though. I used the same powder charge in all of them, 60.0 grains of H4831. Yeah I know, it was listed as maximum in 44th edition of "Lyman reloading handbook" but it was also listed as the most accurate as well. How could I lose, just the combination I needed.

Anyway, in those days all of the cartridges of a given nomenclature and carrying the same bullet, went into a designated cardboard box. We didn't have MTM plastic cartridge boxes then. We did have those wonderful plastic trays that came with CIL bullets though and they made fantastic loading trays.

I never bothered to keep track of which was which and they all shot consistently into that nice little 4 inch group at 100 yds and never gave it another thought. When I finally got around to reloading those cases, I did notice that about 100 of them had raised edges around the firing pin indents and one was even pierced and many were flattened quite a bit.

Other than that, nothing out of the ordinary. Today, I probably wouldn't even consider it but back then? Well I was young and most reloaders were considered to be crazy fanatics, intent on blowing themselves up. There were few if any real mentors and we had to learn to read and understand the larger words that were in the reloading manual. OH, did I mention, like any real man, I never read instructions. I felt that if someone could make it, I could figure it out. I have since realised how little I really know and now read instructions but some of them big words still get me so I gloss them over until there's a problem.
 
Yeah, I discovered the problem today after priming 50 more cases. Amphibious put his .223 decapping tool in the 308 die and I just popped all of the primers out.

I guess I could pull apart the other 25odd rounds I have left with the pistol primers in them.

I was wondering why the primers were sitting so low in the cases. No broken primers. They were dimpling into the beveled edge between the firing pin and pin hole though.

Wally I'd suggest that you pull apart the loaded rounds.

The primers are sitting so low in the case because (as you now know) large pistol primers are slightly less tall than large rifle primers, so they get seated deeper.

You're not likely to have ignition problems, Varget is pretty easy to light (even with a milder pistol primer).

But (and this is why I suggest you pull them rather than shoot them) a pistol primer is a bit weaker than a rifle primer (thinner cup material; most pistols don't have as strong a firing pin strike as most rifles). And your loads (43-46 Varget, 165 bullet) are strong enough that it's probably more prudent to pull them apart than to shoot them (if they were milder loads I'd suggest that you just shoot them).

(FWIW small pistol and small rifle primers are the same dimensions as each other)
 
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