So I'm interested in Anschutz. Where to start? Help.

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There are lots of model numbers, 64's, 54's, Fortners, repeaters & single shots.
Is there a chart that will tell me which models are 54 or 64?
I also wish to know which older models are repeaters, & which are single shots.

As of now I really like the model 1710 D HB except that the trigger pull seems heavy.
I shoot offhand with my 452 Varmint trigger set at a safe 9oz ( thanks yodave:) )
If I want that rifle with a better target trigger, can I swap it out. There seem to be different trigger models as well.
Do the 1710's have match chambers?

I can study new catalogs and Nordic Marksmans site, but that does not help me with older models on the used market (EE)

I am not looking to be spoon fed all there is to know about these award winning rifles. I am just curious about some resources to help me get started.

I most interested in Match 54 action target repeaters.
Was there a 54 MSR? (I think so), & how hard are they to find?

Does any one know of some resources, or models of repeating Match 54's that I can read up on.
Thank you for any help.
 
The springs in the triggers can be swapped out. My trigger on a 1416D is around one pound.
I read where it is safe to shoot without a spring and he reported a safe 11 oz.
Model numbers are like cars and there is always someone who will buy the newest and latest for more money as that makes it better.
Does Nordic have an In-house Show room? Somewhere recently I saw a chamber dimensions chart and there are lots of variations but Anschutz has their own version of a Match Chamber.
You can start there, then your local gun club or wherever there are rimfire competitions.
Lastly there is lots of information on: www.rimfirecentral.com

If you said how much you want to spend there will be someone ready to take your money.
 
Thank you Horseman2.
I was talking to Brad @ Nordic, he told me he does not really have a storefront. Though he did encourage me to come by.
I am glad he is only 40 miles away if I do go with a brand new one, but I am unsure as yet if my Annie will come from the EE. I guess it depends on the chosen model availability, and the amount of cash I come up with.
 
Here's some basic information on the single shot match 54 action Anschutz rifles. I can add to this later, with pictures to illustrate the models and their differences.

There are two kinds of 54 action Anschutz rifles -- sporter/repeaters and match single shot rifles. The actions and bolts are not the same. (There are some repeater models based on the single shot action, such as the 54.18 MSR and 1907 repeater, the latter being the least common.)

The earliest single shot match 54 action rifles predate model numbering, but since the early sixties (about 1962 - 1963) the 14xx series began with that numbering appellation. Later modifications to the bolt and changes in triggers brought forth the 16xx, 18xx, and 19xx actions, the 20xx having a redesigned receiver (the "square" one).

The last two numbers in the model name (e.g. xx07, xx09, xx10, xx11, and xx13) refer primarily to the barrel configuration, but also to the stock design. There are basically two different barrel profiles, the xx07 being the slimmer, shorter one at 22mm and 66cm respectively (which is neither slim nor short, but that's relative). The xx11/13 has a 24mm diameter barrel that is 69cm long, the heaviest Anschutz barrel.

The xx07 barrels are mostly found on the standard UIT models. The heavier barrels are found on the prone models and position rifles that have thumbhole stocks, butt hooks etc.
 
Some Anschutz single shot match rifles are more commonly seen than others. On the used market more 14xx rifles are posted on the EE than newer ones like the 16xx, 18xx, 19xx, and 20xx.

The basic models offered in the 14xx series, which were produced from the early 1960s to about 1974 or 1975, have similar versions in the newer series of rifles. The 16xx rifles have an X in the serial number and were made from about 1975 - 1980, the 18xx series from 1980 to 1988, and the 19xx from 1988 to the present. The 20xx series began in the early to mid-1990's and are still made. The latest model is the 54.30.

The barrel dimensions have generally remained the same, except at the muzzle where slightly different front sight mounting systems have seen some variation. For example the 19xx barrels are wider at the last two or so inches of the muzzle. This "swell" is dovetail grooved for mounting a front globe sight. Other models used a fixed barrel mount, a barrel block, or screws to attach the front sight. The front sight if present is of course removable.

Here is one of the most common Anschutz match rifles, the 1407 (66cm barrel). Going from memory, this one is from about 1970. Newer models have a more sloping forend, and the stock is deeper at the trigger guard. I've found that stocks with less slope on the bottom are better for shooting from the bench.



Here is the 1413 Free Rifle. It has the heavier, longer barrel (69cm).



The rifle above was designed for men's shooting as it is much heavier than the xx07 rifles. Many shooters use 1413 rifles off the bench, but a better model for bench shooting is the prone model, the 1411, because of its stock design. The forend is parallel to the barrel. The barreled actions of the xx13 and xx11 are the same with the only difference being the stocks.

Here's an ad showing the Savage Anschutz iteration of the 1407 and 1411. They were the same as the "regular" Anschutz except for the stamping which presumably had the name Savage.





There is also the 1409 and 1410 models. The former has the xx07 66cm barrel, the latter the 69cm heavier barrel. Below is a 1409.



The older 14xx rifles, that is those from 1964 and earlier, have dovetails only on the rear half of the receiver. The front of the receiver, forward of the loading port, is not dovetailed. For those interested in scoping these older models, there are a number of scope mounting options. I've always chosen to use BKL cantilever mounts, as seen on this 1964 made model 1408. As I recall this mount is the high model. They are quite solid and reliable. Also worth noting about the 1964 and earlier 54's is that they have one extractor claw (which works without issue), and a flat bolt end cap.



As a note of interest, the 1407 first appeared in the late 1960's (1968 or 1969?). Prior to that Anschutz had the 1408, which originally had a longer barrel than the xx07 (66cm), but it was a little slimmer, later, after about 1965 or 1966, the 1408 had the xx07 barrel. The 1408 shown above has that longer, slimmer barrel (the exact dimensions of which I don't remember). These earlier 1408's are distinguishable by their stock characteristics, with the completely parallel to the barrell forend bottom.

The 1408 name was dropped in favour of the 1407 by the late 1960s. The name 1408 was then given to the Running Boar model. Below is a 1408 EDS.



The Running Boar model has a thumbhole stock, adjustable cheek piece, wooden butt pad, round bottom forend, and barrel weights. They are not as commonly seen as many of the other models.

Since the receiver and trigger dimensions are the same in the 14xx series, the barreled action can be mounted in any 14xx stock. Newer barreled actions can also be mounted in the 14xx stocks, but the trigger area of the stock will have to be inletted to accommodate the newer triggers found on the 16xx and newer models. The 14xx barreled actions can be mounted in newer stocks. The round 54 action receiver has remained largely unchanged, but the triggers have not. Triggers is another subject altogether. The bolts can't be swapped between different series of rifles.

To sum up the 14xx series is the oldest of the numbered named models. There are older rifles, from the mid 1950s to the early 1960's that predate the numbered series. The more recent of these are indistinguishable from their almost identical models with the numbered names, which began in the early 1960's. The last two numbers in a model usually refer to the barrel length and stock design. The 16xx, 18xx, and 19xx series rifles are similar to the 14xx series, but they have newer stock designs and different triggers.
 
As you have probably already noticed you have found what I consider one of the most knowledgeable rimfire aficionodos on the planet. Pay attention when he speaks and be gratefull hes so giving of his knowledge. True gentleman and wealth of knowledge so freely given. Hope to one day meet a legend in my mind as well as many others I suspect.
 
As you have probably already noticed you have found what I consider one of the most knowledgeable rimfire aficionodos on the planet. Pay attention when he speaks and be gratefull hes so giving of his knowledge. True gentleman and wealth of knowledge so freely given. Hope to one day meet a legend in my mind as well as many others I suspect.

Longstud, I agree with you completely.
 
Grauhanen

Glenn
Once again you have shown yourself to be a gentleman and a scholar.
Thanks so much for sharing this wealth of invaluable information with all of us.
We're glad you are here.
 
I was considering one myself. It gets confusing between all the models. This thread helps understanding the differences between models. Thanks to everyone for the information.
 
There is also a newer modification of the 54 action which is the 54.30
Glenn, could I ask you to give info on this ?
hanks

Gilbert
 
There is also a newer modification of the 54 action which is the 54.30
Glenn, could I ask you to give info on this ?
hanks

Gilbert

The 54.30 is the most recent iteration of the 54 match action. It was revealed at the IWA show in Germany in 2015. It has several changes over the more familiar "round" 54 match action.

First it has a smaller loading port that was moved 30mm rearward. As a result the bolt is shorter and the loading port is closer to the shooter with the result that loading is more ergonomic. This means the shooter moves less when in position. With a shorter bolt, the firing pin is lighter, resulting in a shorter lock time.



Another big difference over the round 54 match action, the 54.30 barrel is threaded, not pressed and pinned. Anschutz says this reduces stress in the chamber area and makes it more accurate. The barrel itself is the same profile as the xx07 barrel, which is 66cm long and 22mm in diameter. (I don't know if shooters using any ammo other than the best lot tested ammo will see any significant accuracy difference over the other Anschutz 54 match rifles such as the 19xx or 20xx models.



The 54.30 has the excellent 5018 trigger, which can be adjusted to a low of 60 grams or 2.1 ounces. That trigger is also on 19xx and 20xx rifles, as well as most 18xx's. The barreled action will fit any Anschutz stock that takes the round 54 match action such as the 1913 or 18xx. See the image below for a comparison of the three 54 match action receivers. (Readers will note that the 2013 is the one that is most different among them. It has a square receiver, and its barrel is clamped on with grub screws. The barrels can be changed relatively easily by someone who has a few non-specialized skills and tools, although a headspace gauge is required.)



Here's a picture of a 54.30 with a BR 50 stock. It's the same stock that the 1913 BR 50 uses.

 
Thank you Horseman2.
I was talking to Brad @ Nordic, he told me he does not really have a storefront. Though he did encourage me to come by.
I am glad he is only 40 miles away if I do go with a brand new one, but I am unsure as yet if my Annie will come from the EE. I guess it depends on the chosen model availability, and the amount of cash I come up with.

There is a MS R on the EE right now - precision rifle section.

FYI
 
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